Dolly Parton is qualified
How about we stop celebrity worshipping in our politics? Reagan was an actor.
Dolly Parton is not just a random celebrity. She is a legitimate force for good.
https://www.billboard.com/lists/dolly-parton-good-deeds-timeline/
Absolutely and fully agreed. She’s a phenomenal person and one of the few figures I’m proud of as an American.
That still doesn’t mean I’d consider her for president. The role, I’d say, asks for entirely different skill sets.
By that standard, Mr. Beast should run for president in 10 years.
Edit: Looked into it, that’s already his plan. https://www.insider.com/mrbeast-president-mid-40s-2022-9
My children have a stack of free age-approptiate books, and I will whack you with them until you read more about the good that Dolly has done.
Don’t worry, kids books are light.
It’s unavoidable: politics is a popularity contest, and celebrities are popular…
Also being an actor doesn’t automatically mean they’re not fit for the role, Zelenskyy, the president of Ukraine, was an actor.
The people who think Trump should be allowed to run in spite of being an insurrectionist are the same people who support barring other justice-involved people from merely voting in an election
I’m a little out of the loop, serious question, was he ever actually convicted of organizing an insurrection?
Edit: I’m not an American but apparently asking questions makes you “the enemy” over there. Jesus Christ your country is fucked.
There’s no requirement that he was previously convicted of insurrection - that’s a separate charge and carries a higher bar. The constitution only requires that the court concludes as part of this case that he was involved in an insurrection. And there’s a wealth of evidence showing that he was so the courts will almost certainly come to that conclusion.
Are you arguing that the judges who concluded he organized an insurrection did so in error? None of the confederates who asked their that disability be removed by vote argued that they didn’t need to do so because they had not been so convicted.
There is a process for deciding if criminal behavior happened, it’s called a conviction. We’ve seen judges make mistakes assessing the reality of criminal behavior all the time in Civil Asset Forfeiture cases where the standard of conviction isn’t required.
None of the confederates who asked their that disability be removed by vote argued that they didn’t need to do so because they had not been so convicted.
Because those confederate involvement in the Confederacy was a matter of public record. If we had fought a war against a military force Trump had organized, and that force surrendered; then we wouldn’t need a conviction.
No, and that is one of many real and legitimate issues with the legal theory of using the 14th Amendment to bar him from the Presidency.
Cases are seperate. A federal judge already ruled he was guilty of a insurrection. They stated that the removal of them from the ballot needed to go through the proper channels. Colorado’s supreme court (1 possible proper channel) then ruled he should not be on the ballot.
Every state has control over their own elections but can be directed by the federal level. The federal case is moving forward, just slowly as per following all proper procedure and people fighting to slow it down.
Same reason there is no criminal charges for fraud in NY at this time. He was found guilty in a civil court which showed the fraud existed, and made it so fraud charges should be an easy case in a criminal court.
Yeah, I totally remember how Trump led the charge up the Capitol steps, the whole time shouting “the tree of liberty is watered with the blood of tyrants!!”
Yes, apparently that’s the ONLY way anyone can ever start an insurrection. Damn your astute logic. If only everyone can be as flawlessly intelligent as you. All he did was plan with the Proud Boys to help rile people up and direct them towards the capital; privately reach out and pressure state election administrators to lie and overturn election results; claim that he was cheated and lied to everyone for weeks prior to Jan 6th, effectively building a political bonfire that he planned to light on Jan. 6th; give a speech where he helped to incite a mob and direct them towards the capital steps, with the Proud Boys helping to lead the chargea and effectively direct the crowds anger; and even actually tried to march to the Capital himself to lead the charge. But other than that, he did absolutely nothing. God damn, if we could only be so smart as you.
…and his counter argument is going to be based on due process and arguing that because he wasn’t openly engaged in insurrection that any accusation that he should be disqualified should have to be proven by due process of law.
The sad thing is, that’s a totally reasonable take. Which is why his legal team is also going to delay as hard as possible, until they can argue that still having the trial prior to the election is tantamount to election interference and it should be postponed until afterwards.
Because the only chance he has of getting away with any of it is getting elected or getting a GOP president who will pardon him.
Fascism, uhhhh… finds a way
People keep saying the GoP will recognize abuse this but they underestimate how little I truly care about politicians. They seem to think everyone cares about politicians as much as they care about Trump. If someone gets disqualified for some minor reason, so what? Seems like a good filter to keep only newer people in the running.
People in politics for decades become corrupt. It happens with power and time. So if they find a way to disqualify Biden, I don’t really care. There’s a hundred million other people who could choose to run. Maybe Greg from down the street might have a shot if politicians who do shit get kicked to the curb when they do shitty shit
[edit] used a wrong word completely. Adding some additional language
About a decade ago, due to a quirk in our voting system which has been changed, we had a senator elected from a fringe motoring enthusiast party - and he only got a fraction of a percent of the vote. He was actually quite good because he was wise enough to know that he didn’t know things, so he sought the opinions of experts, and actually read and tried to understand legislation. Unfortunately he only had a short term, but I always use him as an example of how being a good politician isn’t about being the smartest guy, it’s just about listening to the experts and trying to represent the best interests of your citizens.
If someone gets disqualified for some minor reason, so what?
I see the point you’re trying to make, but I wouldn’t say attempting to overthrow our government to remain in power is a “minor” reason.
I think they’re saying the people who care about trump think it’s too “minor” of a reason to disqualify him and if another candidate was disqualified for what they thought was a minor reason they wouldn’t care.
The argument against it is going to be all about due process and how he hasn’t been proven to have done that. If we argue that the accusation is enough, that’s when they start trying to disqualify candidates left and right because accusations are cheap. Hell, they’ve already built a whole house of cards suggesting Biden has been essentially receiving foreign bribes routed through family members and their businesses.
And no, comparisons to CSA officers not being convicted of anything but still being disqualified aren’t a good fit, because they were engaged in open rebellion. There was no question of fact whatsoever since they had you know, publicly held office in the rebel faction.
Trump calling an election protest rally is well within his 1A rights, and he wasn’t openly calling for or leading the actual attack on the capitol. Which will be the whole crux of his fight against being disqualified on constitutional grounds unless tried and convicted.
Yeah, I see Republicans make that argument a lot. I’m glad the judges ruled that the January 6th Commission did follow due process and found it credible that Trump engaged in an insurrection. Of course, most Republicans live within their own news bubbles and would never hear that.
People keep saying the GoP will recognize this but they underestimate how little I truly care about politicians.
This isn’t about you.
It’s not even so much that they they become corrupt. It’s that they become entrenched and as a result they end up wielding power that far exceeds their office. For example, Nancy Pelosi was ludicrously powerful for a mere House member, and Mitch McConnell almost single handedly dictates how half the Senate votes on many issues. A second term for Trump would be the end of America because he controls a huge cult on top of any formal powers he would get from being the President.
Career politicians are a cancer for any democracy. But I could also see term limits being another obstacle they overcome by plaguing various other elected positions and using the influence they’ve gathered.
Career politicians are a cancer for any democracy.
As are career lobbyists - who have an even easier time manipulating inexperienced newly-minted legislators. Term limits are a panacea as far as fixing our democracy is concerned.
We have term limits already. You lose an election, your terms are thereby limited. Im really not trying to be facetious, but passing term limits means we have an electorate that woke up and pushed for them.
That increased level of democratic engagement is what we need, not necessarily term limits themselves. We already have the means to vote out crappy incumbents, but we don’t. You can’t legislate your way out of political disengagement, that’s my take, I guess.
Keeping only newer people in the running seems like it should help, and many states passed term limit laws in the 1990s. Turns out, states that passed term limit laws had either no change or got more corrupt. Drivers of increased corruption seem to be politicians without experience being more reliant on lobbyists for subject matter expertise, and politicians who have no future in their current job (public servant) networking and greasing hands to apply for their next job (lobbyist).
And we thought by law Erdoğan could not run for presidency again, and yet did (also the first time because of his questionable university diploma but that is a story for another night kids)
Still somewhat of an unresolved dispute but already forgotten
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-36436200
Bottom line is Erdoğan now elects all the university rectors, including Marmara University’s at the time which Erdoğan claims to have graduated from. Soon as there were disputes to his claims of his university degree, Marmara University’s rector himself published online Erdoğan’a diploma which suffered from multiple inconsistencies, such as wrong department name. So it was thought that he prepared that diploma on orders from Erdoğan (it is very common now in Turkey for university rectors to receive orders from Erdoğan). Since then some other people claimed that they were class mates with Erdoğan. So it seems like it is an issue still hanging there and unlikely to be resolved now.
