Only when enough of these ant-vaxxers lose children to these diseases will they reverse course. Then they will blame the experts again for not warning them. I have a 2 yo great-nephew and I shudder to think of him getting some disease that we were close to wiping out. Are there no people left alive that remember polio?
On May 2, 2011, President Barack Obama announced that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had located and killed Osama Bin Laden. The agency organised a fake hepatitis vaccination campaign in Abottabad, Pakistan, in a bid to obtain DNA from the children of Bin Laden, to confirm the presence of the family in a compound and sanction the rollout of a risky and extensive operation. Release of this information has had a disastrous effect on worldwide eradication of infectious diseases, especially polio.
Why not just vaccinate them for real if you were doing this.
You can still get the DNA and have an ulterior motive and also not 100% trash any credibility, you’d still trash it but nowhere near as bad.
Pretty sure if I was from that part of the world I would still get vaccinated. It isn’t like the vaccine killed you, it was fake.
You’re too optimistic. Anti-vaxxers can and do still blame everyone and everything else before changing their minds. Only select few will have the awareness to change. People were literally on their deathbeds dying of covid still cursing the doctors who were supposedly killing them. The children and other people they spread to, they don’t deserve to die. But I have no patience left for contrarian wilful assholes, they deserve(d) their deaths.
Only when enough of these ant-vaxxers lose children to these diseases will they reverse course
They absolutely won’t. This is a group of people willing to put their kids through ‘treatments’ like chelation, HBOT and bleach enemas to get rid of ‘the toxins’ and kids have died from some of these alternative treatments. All that their own kids dying guarantees is a spot as a parent-martyr on some antivaxx podcast and a handshake from Jenny McCarthy.
The interesting thing about polio, is if I understand it right, it’s very similar to covid in terms of what a non serious case looks like in additon to asymptomatic people. It would easily be brushed off as not serious.
If Polio killed people like covid, and didn’t give the public the chance to see the damage it does with all these paralyzed people on the streets, I don’t know if we’d ever have a chance of stopping it.
It’s hard to argue with kids in wheelchairs vs deaths of people you don’t know.
Science: We’ve eradicated many diseases through vaccines!
Republicans: Hold my beer!
Unfortunately, this particular brand of dumb has found a home on both sides of the isle. Part of the reason it’s been so successful at proliferating and creating problems with reemerging diseases.
Going back maybe a decade or so I remember most anti-vaxers I encountered being real crunchy-granola, hippie liberal types, often the types who would go on about natural remedies, crystals, etc. There was the odd conservative looney in the bunch, but they were more of a fringe minority.
I haven’t personally encountered many of them liberal types lately, it definitely seems like there’s been a pretty significant shift. I’m absolutely certain they’re still out there, but at least in my area in the sorts of groups I’m tuned into, they’ve become a minority.
Annecdotally, I used to have a pretty good track record for being able to sway people’s opinions on vaccines. I have a enough things going for me on both sides of the aisle that liberals and conservatives will both usually give me the benefit of the doubt and a bit of a reputation among people who know me for being fairly knowledgeable about a lot of things. Since the pandemic, that’s not really the case, everyone’s opinion is pretty much set in stone at this point. I have had a couple people I know thank me for straightening them out before COVID hit though so it’s nice to know my lessons stuck and who knows, maybe even saved a life or two.
People are just in general too fucking stupid to keep two ideas in their head.
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Vaccines WORK and are a fucking miracle of modern science
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Pharmaceutical companies are fucking for profit and can be evil like any other mega corp
Both can be true. The liberal hippies saw point 2 and jumped onto point point 1 as equally valid.
Life is complicated, with competing interests everywhere and you have to be able think critically to navigate it. But, science literacy is so poor you have hippies trying to cure cancer with bathsalts and Republicans trying to cure covid by shoving bleach up their ass.
I recall that time, too. Hippies jumped onboard with naturalism and spiritualism too far while conservatives only embraced these as a means to oppose big bad government conspiracies.
Overall those leftists have come around, fortunately.
When it comes to the pandemic, the propaganda being spread online was just insurmountable. My wife and I both work in a hospital and she has had to literally cart the corpses of covid’s victims to the morgue and then you get these supposed nurses who are probably L&D online thinking they have a grasp of what’s going on…
We’ve lost our grounding. Without it, there’s no orientation to truth and falsehood. Until we restore the notion of consensus of expertise, we are screwed on a variety of fronts.
The antivaxxers “science and logic” will kill children and adults in all communities.
COVID was just a warmup, there’s going to be all sorts of fun stuff with all the tropical stuff moving into broader regions.
Honestly, this is what scares the fuck out of me. I feel like COVID was just a sample of what’s to come. Between anti-vaxxers and climate change we are going to be in for a wild ride.
I think it is a mixed bag. Maybe there are people who are god damn idiots especially looking at these parents trying to deny “proven” vaccines, this isn’t a comment on the covid vaccines, I’m vaxxed and had the most recent booster but I can at least in a way understand people’s fear around it. I think Covid was able to slip on by because “2% VeRy SmAlL NuMbEr, StOp BeInG CoWaRdS!” maybe I’m wrong and this whole thing was a trial run for the next super bug that will come out in the coming decade but I think a disease with a mortality rate comparable to the black death (30-60%) with a spreadability of covid though may lead to people taking it slightly more seriously. There will be obvious exceptions, hell I imagine many industrial leaders will still push the front line staff saying its “fake news” so they keep making profit while not caring about their people. Then again a disease with that kind of mortality rate would probably collapse modern society for better or worse at the bare minimum greatly reform it, the after effects of black death are fascinating read.
Nah don’t be afraid. Just keep on investing in better gear. The antivaxxers will be dying in the street and you can walk over their corpses.
Remember folks, all our vaccines are going to make us autistic and mutate multiple new limbs before we zombify and haunt the streets like ghouls.
And somehow all our vaccines will be at fault when the offspring of these mouth breathing fuckers die off en masse. I don’t feel a lick of sympathy.
I do. For the kids. Some of them are organising and finding ways to get vaccinated without their parents’ knowledge. No kids should have to deal with that.
