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Elon Musk loves to speak confidently about shit he knows nothing about. This leads to him being a confident speaker on every topic… I just wish we could figure out a way to shut him up.

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Obligatory

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The rockets are fine. SpaceX has a team specifically designed to distract Musk and keep him away from the actual work on the rockets. Tesla didn’t have that though. That’s how we ended up with that lame presentation with the weird “S3XY” acromin. That was really the point I realized that he was just an idiot frat boy with too much money. He really is his own worst enemy.

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91 points

the thing about spacex is everything they do is because of nasa and government.

the only thing spacex has going for it is the fact that they can spend a billion dollars exploding a rocket five times before it slightly works the sixth whereas the government can’t do that.

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What’s your source on the spacex team distracting him? I can’t find anything supporting that. I do find some interviews from anonymous employees saying it’s calmer now that he’s so focused on twitter.

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8 points

And yet they managed to obliterate a poorly-specced launchpad, causing massive damage to a nearby town and wreaking havoc on the local ecosystem.

I can’t remember NASA ever doing that.

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Maybe I’m out of the loop - what’s he been saying about software?

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One example that stuck with me is that he said some shit along the lines of 80% of Twitter’s microservices being superfluous and he’ll be shutting them off.

Yes, the dev teams just spent 4/5 of their time building shit no one asked for. It just annoys me so much, because anyone with basic reasoning should be able to work out that this cannot possibly be the case, but it’s easy to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Well, except that many, many Twitter outages followed.

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54 points

When he took over twitter there was a bunch of stuff he was spouting about things like Twitter’s stack needing a full rewrite and such. Going so far as to fire the engineer that challenged him on it during a live spaces thing if I recall correctly.

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33 points

He asked employees to print out their code so he could review it.

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This post’s image man

It’s not that hard™

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The French had a pretty good way of shutting up insufferable rich asshats.

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13 points

Does it rhyme with “vaseline”?

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4 points

Yes. Yes it does :D

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24 points

Well, not spreading his posts or not reacting to things he says is probably the best way.

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If reacting to something always makes it more likely to occur, you have just made reacting to things Elon Musk says more likely to occur.

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The irony isn’t lost on me, but it’s not always. It’s just a good way to handle attention seeking people that you don’t want to seek attention anymore.

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6 points

Well, looking at ChatGPT and other LLMs, they also lie confidently. Maybe there is a correlation and Elon is just a poor AI.

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4 points

He doesn’t notice he’s the Duning-Kruger effect personified.

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Oh, thanks for pointing that out.

I was formulating an angry rebuttal in my head, then saw your comment and realised I hadn’t noticed the username. Of course it’s Musk. That’s rebuttal enough.

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Yes the compiler/interpreter can figure it out on the fly, that’s what we mean by untyped languages. And as stated both have their merits and their faults.

Elon doesn’t know what the words mean and just chimes in with his AI future BS.

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And as stated both have their merits and their faults.

Yes! Just because a compiler could guess the type doesn’t mean it should. Elon didn’t understand the meme at all.

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2 points

why would you not want it to? what circumstance, other than an integer not given an explicit type, could it guess wrong?

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Dynamic vs Static is a huge debate that I’m not qualified to answer. My personal preference is static because I like to know my mistakes at compile time instead of after running and something weird happens. That goes along with my preference that all variables should be declared at the top of a function.

https://hackernoon.com/i-finally-understand-static-vs-dynamic-typing-and-you-will-too-ad0c2bd0acc7

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Well, if there is nof fixed (explicit or implicit) type it’s imposible for the compiler to optimise your code. Also imho programming with typed languages is way easier because your IDE can recognize function argumentd before you compile/run. I tried python and found it baffling how anyone can get any work done with it :D

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Yes the compiler/interpreter can figure it out on the fly, that’s what we mean by untyped languages.

Are there untyped languages? You probably meant ‘dynamically typed languages’.

But even statically typed languages can figure out most types for you from the context - it’s called ‘type inference’.

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93 points

Most of my code is untyped. First I type it, then I realize it’s all wrong and use backspace to untype it.

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12 points

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. Congrats. Lol

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15 points

Assembly probably? So low level you kinda just play with bits. That’s all I can think of for an untyped language. Everything else I’m aware of is dynamically or statically typed

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9 points

I kind of feel like “untyped” is a term that doesn’t really have a proper definition right now. As far as I can tell when people say “untyped” they usually mean it as a synonym for whatever they consider “dynamically typed” to mean (which also seems to vary a bit from person to person, haha). Sometimes people say assembly is untyped exactly for this reason, but you could also consider it to have one type “bits” and all of the operations just do things on bits (although, arguably different sized registers have different types). Similarly, people sometimes consider “dynamically typed languages” to just be “unityped” (maybe monotyped is more easily distinguished from untyped, haha) languages at their core, and if you squint you can just think of the dynamic type checks as a kind of pattern matching on a giant sum type.

In some sense values always have types because you could always classify them into types externally, and you could even consider a value to be a member of multiple types (often programming languages with type systems don’t allow this and force unique types for every value). Because you could always classify values under a type it feels kind of weird to refer to languages as being “untyped”, but it’s also kind of weird to refer to a language as “typed” when there isn’t really any meaningful typing information and there’s no type system checking the “types” of values. Types sort of always exist, but also sort of only exist when you actually make the distinctions and have something that you call a “type system”… In some sense the distinction between static and dynamic typing is sort of an arbitrary implementation detail too (though, of course, it has impacts on the experience of programming, and the language design makes a bit of a difference in terms of what’s decidable :) (and obviously the type system can determine what programs you consider to be “valid”)… But you can absolutely have a mix of static type checking and dynamic typing, for instance… It’s all a little more wishy washy than people tend to think in my opinion).

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I guess “untyped” could mean “weakly typed”, like how shell and DOS batch are, where everything is a string until you say “hey I want to do math on this” at which point the interpreter turns it into a number, does math on the number, and then turns it back into a string before saving it back to the variable

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Well that would depend on the definition and what you exactly mean by untyped.

The untyped part is usually referring to the way the programmer interacts with the language, for example not setting a type for variables and parameters. But then there is the question of is the programmer ever allowed to explicitly set the type. And further more, if the programmer explicitly set the type, does this mean the type can’t change at a later point? And another question could be, can the programmer check or enforce what type a variable or parameter is? And the question, if there is only one type of data in the language, would that be a typed or untyped language? But I would consider these to be details and all fall under the untyped umbrella, with untyped just meaning not-typed.

Then there’s the question of the technical implementation of the language. Defining a language is one thing, actually having it run on a real system is another. Usually technical systems at some point require explicit types. Something somewhere needs instructions on how to handle the data and this usually leads to some kind of typing instructions being added along with the data. But depending on how many abstraction layers there are, this can soon become a very pedantic discussion. I feel what matters is the design, definition and intend of a language. The actual technical implementation isn’t what matters in my opinion.

I feel like there are so many programming languages and technical systems at this point, every variation and exception exists. And if you can think of one that doesn’t exist, expect a follow up comment of somebody pointing out it does exist after all, or them having started a project to make it exist in the near future.

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Would you say OCaml or any ml family language would be untyped since they have type inference?

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We’re also at the point where traditionally untyped languages can be strictly typed (strict typescript), and typed languages can be weakly typed (Java’s var)

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VBA you can declare everything as variant.

Is that untyped?

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assembly

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Most statically typed languages can’t because they don’t implement Hindley-Milner type inference.

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Even in untyped can’t you explicitly set your type either with declarations or wrapping the value in quotes for a string or something?

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Depends on the language. There is no explicit typing in JavaScript, for example. That’s why Typescript was invented.

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Not always.

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Ah, that could be problematic

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8 points

Untyped as in written? Or is this programming term I’m not familiar with?

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Programming term. Variables in programming languages can hold different types of data, such as whole numbers, floating point numbers or strings of characters (“text”). Untyped languages figure out on the fly what can and cannot be done to the content of a variable, while typed languages strictly keep track of the type of content (not the value) to catch bugs and improve performance, for example.

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Ah! Thank you for the explanation. That makes much more sense now.

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Very concise explanation!

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Any untyped languages that don’t care what is in the variable, assumes you know what your doing, and YOLOs it?

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By typed they mean declairing a type for your variables.

In some languages, variables needs to be told what kind of data they can hold. That’s it’s type. For instance a number without decimals would be an integer type. While text might be a string type or a list of character types.

Other languages don’t require types and sometimes don’t even support them. They will just infer the type from the data that’s in the variable.

If you see Elon Musk please explain this to him.

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If you see Elon Musk please explain this to him.

I’m an idiot, and I still don’t think I could dumb it down to his level.

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Might be able to call assembly untyped. Everything beyond that I think would be called either statically or dynamically typed, maybe weakly typed?

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It’s actually hieroglyphics.

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249 points

Press X (formerly Twitter) to Doubt

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Fuck me, that’s good. I noticed the X after my first laugh attack and had a second one. Fuck you dude, my ribs hurt.

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Remember when people were calling this dummy the “real life Tony Stark”? Lol.

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I was one of those. In my defense, 2012-2015(ish) he really was doing cool things. Tesla and Space X were super innovative and brought optimism. Then a time traveler stepped on a bug, the whole Thailand pedophile fiasco happened and it went downhill from there. Now we have yokes, dumb turn signals and the whole cybertruck, not to mention removing ultrasound sensors to save a few cents and the whole Twitter debacle. At least space X is still somehow unfucked?

In case it helps… I’m sorry.

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he really was doing cool things.

He was buying cool things

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The thing is after Peter Thiel made him a multi-billionaire against his best efforts, he did actually put that capital into industries that desperately needed someone to prove to the boomers that you could, and should, make money in them.

There’s a whole lot to say about his credit stealing, ego, and the system itself, but the fact remains he does have an eye for talent (that he can exploit for gain)

So, sure, he was just the bankroll, but that doesn’t mean the companies didn’t desperately need that.

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I think the problem was he started to believe his own hype that he was a super-genius that knew everything about everything.

I mean I don’t know the nitty gritty details of building an electric car or building rockets. But neither does Elon Musk. Which would be fine except that he tries to talk about these things like he does understand all of the details. Nobody knows everything about everything, it’s only an idiot that tries to act like he does.

But then he tries talking like he’s an expert in a field I am familiar with and it’s like… there’s points people could make on this subject, but that’s not one of them.

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Same. Can’t judge about auto industry or rocket science, but I know a thing or two about software. And… Yeah, everything he’s said about Twitter internals (and sw dev in general) is brain dead.

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I think he always believed his own hype. Heck there was a point where I was somewhat into his hype.

Though I never liked Tesla’s interior design philosophy of “just put all the controls on a giant tablet and call it a day”

Truth is we didn’t know enough about him to gain an opinion. So imaginations ran wild. I mean there are people who have been saying how bad he was since the whole PayPal thing. It’s just those companies weren’t big enough at the time for it to gain any gravity in the public eye.

Then Tesla and spaceX happened, and people thought what he was doing was awesome, because a lot of it was and it was easy to look past the parts that weren’t.

Now however the fact he can’t keep his mouth shut and has become a twitter addict has kinda ruined our public opinion on him. If he had just stayed quiet and not bothered with the whole buying twitter thing, people might not care much about him. And the Epstein stuff and affairs and shit didn’t help him one bit. He’s right to mistrust the media - that shit is like a gourmet breakfast for them.

Basically he revealed himself in the public for what he truly is. A cold blooded greedy ass tycoon with an ego the size of the planets he’s trying to colonise, with a modern style nerd-hipster science theming and old school conservative ideals.

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I accept and believe your apology. Just pop yourself in the nose once, and we’re totally square buddy.

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65 points

its amazing how elon was once so milquetoast and inoffensive that he was a guest on the big bang theory and then he was like you know whats good? nazis.

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29 points

What you mean? He is!

The netflix adaptation… Lmao

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10 points

If it’s a Netflix adaptation, then wouldn’t it be an overly drawn out true crime documentary?

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We could always start a theory that Elon is the Zodiac Killer. He probably doesn’t deserve that level of notoriety, but it would make for an overly drawn out crime documentary. Just bring in some “experts” off of Ancient Aliens, along with the phrase “could it be” so you have some standing when you’re inevitably sued for slander.

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I think you mean The Asylum version of Tony Stark.

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At least around 2015 when SpaceX landed a rocket for the first time, it really does look like he’s the real life Tony Stark. People change, sometimes for the worse.

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That one line in Star Trek Discovery is more hilarious by the day. I have no fucking idea what the writers were thinking.

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Which line?

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The one where Captain Lorca lists the Wright Brothers, Cochrane (the inventor of warp drive in the ST universe), and Elon Musk as tech visionaries of their eras.

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Well, Tony Stark is a fictional character in a fictional universe, so real science or how the real world works in general don’t need to apply to him and he only needs to conjure up some cool sounding tech words for the audience and the plot will do the rest. So Elon Musk is indeed like Tony Stark, only issue is he is also indeed the real life version so has no plot to back him up and all the rules of real life still apply.

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It didn’t hurt that he was in Iron Man 2. Pepper for some reason is bending over backwards to be deferential to him in the early Monte Carlo scene.

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He’s the kinda guy whose only programming experience is learning Python for 3 hours 6 years ago, yet he thinks he’s the programming god.

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musk the kind of guy that if he said Java is here to stay, I would start learning another language.

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