God, they’re bending themselves backward to avoid admitting that the USSR won the war.

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If you remove US lend lease to the USSR, USSR strength in Europe is down by 5-ish %. If you remove the USSR from US strength in Europe, oh dear.

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Staline

She transitioned?!?

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19 points

Fuck it why not?

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18 points

tiddies and a moustache is my revisionism

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She’s a non-binary icon

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16 points

Iosephine Stalina

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6 points

Jokes aside, that’s the French spelling

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I had no idea! Cool.

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52 points

Changed tide of war

in fucking 1944

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30 points

Wasn’t the Soviet Union already back in Poland by 1944?

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30 points

By the end of it, so an argument could be made (if you are a dipshit who thinks frontline move by magic)

But ukraine itself was already liberated by june 1944 (the western half). the eastern part was done in 1943.

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17 points

I mean, it was in 1944 that for the axis it went from “not going well at all” to “run for your lives”. And I mean, one of the main contributions of the US was A-mostly dealing with Japan, B-supplying half the world (including the soviets). The troops sure were important as hell, but not their main contribution

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32 points

I mean by 1944 germany was done for. It was done for by 1943, but 1944 it was so obvious, i doubt that person (with historic background!) even looked at the eastern front.

Land lease was important, and people may downplay it a bit more than they should, but war stuff is incomprehensible to me.

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23 points

germany was done the moment it lost the battle of moscow imo

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I mean by 1944 germany was done for.

By June of '44, they were proper fucked.

But the US was officially in the war from '41 and was sending troops into North Africa in '42, which cut into the supply lines of German industry. It isn’t impossible to see the Germans securing a peace deal before their Russian invasion went sideways, and there were certainly no small number of American Fascists who would have liked to see a DC/Berlin alliance.

Had the US entered the war on the side of the Germans, rather than the British, that definitely would have been it for the Western facing Allies. So, from an entirely Atlantic perspective, the US saved the British from Germany in the aftermath of 1940. And if all you’re talking to are Angloids glued to the History Channel, I guess its fair to say America won the war for Churchill and de Gaulle. The Nazis might still be a thing (at least as far as Fransisco Franco remained a thing) well into the 1970s and 80s, had Americans not backed the English and French up.

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I mean, even the western front was not going well by 1943. Africa had been dealt with by the end of it, and the Allies had successfully sent some huskys to Palermo

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10 points

B-supplying half the world (including the soviets).

This phrasing makes it sound like Russia was running entirely or even mostly on what America supplied it when that is not the case.

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Of course not, but America did supply a lot of food and industrial equipment which was probably crucial for the war effort (of course the british were a lot more dependent on Lend Lease than the soviets, but the point remains)

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46 points

“I have a degree in history. The Allied [sic] would not have one [sic] without America”

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did the Americans greatly contribute etc.

“That’s right! Without American intervention countless Nazis would have been held accountable and wouldn’t have been placed in government and intelligence positions to thwart the evil Communist menace!”

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29 points

Not just that, without America and Britain where would Hitler have got the idea of racial hierarchy and imperialism? So to say the US wasn’t important in the war is STALINIST propaganda.

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