ohno my copyright!!! How will the publisher megacorps now make a record quarter??? Think of the shareholders!
That’s not the take away you should be having here, it’s that a mega Corp felt that they should be allowed to create new content from someone else’s work, both without their permission and without paying
Lemmy sure loves copyright and intellectual property once you change who the pirate is.
The current top whipping boy is AI, apparently. “AI must be bad” is the highest level assumption, so apparently even in this piracy community that overrides the usual “copyright must be bad” assumption.
Or is it actually “Meta must be bad?” I’ve lost track of who the Five Minutes Hate is supposed to be directed at lately.
Almost like the context matters and the world isn’t entirely made up of black and white binary choices because we’re not robots or computers and discrete logic does not apply to human moral arguments.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." His point was that only small-minded men refused to rethink their prior beliefs.
ok, fair; but do consider the context that the models are open weight. You can download them and use them for free.
There is a slight catch though which I’m very annoyed at: it’s not actually Apache. It’s this weird license where you can use the model commercially up until you have 700M Monthly users, which then you have to request a custom license from meta. ok, I kinda understand them not wanting companies like bytedance or google using their models just like that, but Mistral has their models on Apache-2.0 open weight so the context should definitely be reconsidered, especially for llama3.
It’s kind of a thing right now- publishers don’t want models trained on their books, „because it breaks copyright“ even though the model doesn’t actually remember copyrighted passages from the book. Many arguments hinge on the publishers being mad that you can prompt the model to repeat a copyrighted passage, which it can do. IMO this is a bullshit reason
anyway, will be an interesting two years as (hopefully) copyright will get turned inside out :)
What a bunch of losers, thinking they are making the future…… by stealing from as many artists as they can? How do you convince yourself you are doing the right thing when what you are doing is scaling up the theft of art from small artists to a tech company sized operation?
And how much oxygen has been wasted over the years by music companies pushing the narrative that “stealing” from artists with torrenting is wrong? This is so much worse than stealing (and a million times worse than torrenting) though because the point of the theft is to destroy the livelihood of the artist who was stolen from and turn their art into a cheap commodity that can be sold as a service with the artist seeing none of the monetary or cultural reward for their work.
What a bunch of losers, thinking they are making the future…… by stealing from as many artists as they can?
Are you aware of which community this is posted in?
I didn’t realize at first, my bad. I realize that makes a lot of my post redundant but I think my point still stands.
So much hypocrisy that a massive corporation can actually steal like this and it is more socially acceptable than torrenting.
And that’s the issue I in particular have. It’s a double standard and not only that, they’re using it to generate money for their own tools
It’s not the same as some kid pirating photoshop to play around with, or a couple who is curious about GOT and want to watch it without paying HBO.
This is a separate issue and I hate that this place is so reddit like that trying to talk about it gets “hurrr dur I guess you’re mad because AI and meta are just the current hate train circle jerk hurrr i form my own opinions hurr”
Like, no, I’m upset because this is a whole new topic of piracy use.
Did you just make a contradictory argument for both sides?
Is your distinction that piracy by individuals gives cultural recognition while that of corporations doesn’t?
If you think piracy is warranted, at the cost of artists/creators, how is a generalized AI that makes it available and more accessible as a cultural abstracted good different?
Because I don’t see a strong argument for piracy coming at a direct, immutable cost to artists. I also don’t see a strong argument that piracy reduces the chance fans will pay for art when the art is made decently easy to purchase and is being sold at a reasonable price. Of course there are complexities to this discussion but ultimately when you compare it to massive corporations wholesale stealing massive amounts of works of art with the specific intention of undercutting and destroying the value of said art by attempting to commodify it I think the difference is pretty clear. One of these things is a morally arguable choice by one individual, the other is class warfare by the rich.
Joe shmo torrents an album from a band they like, maybe they buy the album in the future or go to a band concert and buy merch. Joe shmo hasn’t mined some economic gain out of a band and then moved on, Joe shmo has become more of a committed fan because they love the album. Meta steals from a band so that they can create an algorithm that produces knockoff versions of the band’s music that Meta can sell to say a company making a commercial who wants music in that style but would prefer not to pay an actual human artist an actual fair price for the music. These are not the same.
(AI doesn’t create convincing fake songs yet necessarily, but you get my point as it applies to other art that AI can create convincing examples of, books and writing being a prime example)
That’s fine, just let the rest of us do the same.
“We didn’t do it, and if we did it was fair use, and if it wasn’t progress will be hampered if rules and regulations are too strict.”
