1 point

Itā€™s easier to go to a laundromat than to deal with any washer.

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Good look when the nearest one is half an hour away.

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The nearest one from me is an hourā€™s walk, yet I just get on the bus or carry my stuff. šŸ¤· Nothing stopping you but you.

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I would rather hand wash my clothes than walk for miles to get it done.

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1 point

Like one where they wash and fold for you?

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1 point

Lots do, and theyā€™re worth it if you can afford it. I wash and fold my own stuff, though.

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27 points

I actually canā€™t believe anybody would be stupid enough to think that Wi-Fi ever needed to be on a washing machine. That is literally a idea designed to milk extra money from suckerā€™s.

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I meanā€¦ Itā€™s not absolutely necessary? Yes.

Itā€™s nice that it alerts you is finished specially taking into account it doesnā€™t always takes the same time and all that ? Yes

A beep or similar works too? Yes, but sometimes you are not near enough or similar and could be useful.

Or starting it remotely so when you reach home just finished or nearly and just arrive and hang the clothes.

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8 points

I worked for an industrial tool manufacturer for a couple years. Itā€™s well known brand but not one you can just go to Home Depot and buy. Their tools are very specialized and very expensive.

Anyway, the last project I was on before I left was one where they tried to create smart tools. It wasnā€™t a completely bad idea. Those things have specific maintenance requirements. Reminding the user that itā€™s time for maintenance based on a cycle count, hour count, or severity of conditions was actually a good idea.

But, management wanted two things: Wireless charging, and the ability to feed data from the tool back to a dashboard that the user could log into. Then, they would charge a premium for the ā€œsmart toolā€ and get the customer to pay for access to the dashboard. At least that was the idea. The problem was that customers didnā€™t give a shit about either of those ā€œfeatures.ā€ They just wanted their tools to work reliably. The division president refused to listen. I donā€™t know how it worked out. For unrelated reasons, I didnā€™t hang around long enough to find out.

Adding [unnecessary] electronics to tools and appliances is cheap. Thereā€™s some engineering costs involved but once thatā€™s done, the components usually amount to a small fraction of the overall build cost. And the markup is insane, which is one reason why they add those ā€œfeaturesā€.

I suspect that thereā€™s plenty of engineering teams out there questioning why a stove needs WiFi and then getting overridden by some SVP who has literally never used a stove in his entire life.

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I want a Speed Queen. Theyā€™re way more expensive than your standard machines, but thereā€™s a reason you find them in laundromats everywhere. Theyā€™re built to be abused.

What do people even do with their wifi appliances? Throw the load in and say Alexa start the washer? How is that easier than setting it yourself?

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This thing is legit, but why is their example photo showing a laundry machine next to a kitchen sink as part of a whole kitchen set up lol

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1 point

I think thatā€™s supposed to be a laundry room, or at least what seems like a reasonable laundry room to people who think $1,500 is a reasonable price for just a washing machine.

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1 point

Itā€™s reasonable given the reliability. Itā€™s not affordable however.

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In many countries flat layouts often result in having a washing machine in the kitchen. I do too. Of course it is not such a fancy thing and it wouldnā€™t fit here anyways.

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7 points

I donā€™t connect mine .

But I wanted a washer dryer that had a heat pump drying system.

The one I got on sale also had an auto dosing tray for detergent and softener.

Genuinely very pleased with all the features my ā€œsmart applianceā€ has.

It uses less power, less water, less detergent. And it weighs and uses humidistats to not over dry my clothes.

The dumb ones that just work on set timers are less efficient than one measuring the load to decide how much water to use and when itā€™s dry.

I suppose I used to eyeball detergent but now a 40 wash bottle lasts me 50 washes.

Long warranty on it I hope Iā€™ll never have to test. But itā€™s there.

To get that I ended up with a WiFi enabled machine and just never put it on a network and turned its own broadcast off.

I occasionally set a time on it. But genuinely throw in the clothes, push 2 buttons, and walk away.

Any appliance that can now be a heat pump instead of an element, or actually measures things instead of using timers is a genuine improvement. Even if itā€™s fairly rudimentary still.

Not everything is worse if itā€™s more complicated.

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I ended up the same way. The heat pump washer/dryer combo I got happens to have wifi. I genuinely enjoy this machine even though I donā€™t think Iā€™m capable of fixing it outside of buying a whole new ā€œheat pump unitā€ and installing it. It works well and itā€™s way more efficient than the old electric unit that was here when we moved in.

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5 points

I have a wifi washer and dryer.

The biggest advantage is that it sends you a ping when itā€™s done, and can send you a message about the need for routing maintenance, like changing filters or refilling the detergent container.

Settings wise, itā€™s slightly easier to set from the app, since a telephone has better UX than a washing machine. Mostly I just leave it at ā€œyou figure it outā€ so itā€™s moot.

You canā€™t actually start it remotely unless you press a button on the machine first, just send settings to it to activate by pressing start.

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How is the phon UX better than the machine UX? The machines i know just have a knob dial for the program and a button each for stuff like temperature, spin, pre-program and start timer. It doesnā€™t get simpler than that imo.

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Itā€™s got a few more options for different settings than my previous washer did, as well as a steam setting thatā€™s only available with certain programs.
It also has a couple of toggles for things like ā€œextra rinseā€ and ā€œwash fasterā€.
Having four knobs and three toggles, two of which are context dependent on one or more knob settings would be confusing, so it uses a screen with a knob and a couple of buttons.

Itā€™s perfectly possible to use standing at the machine, but I also noticed that the last time I needed to change a setting I did so on my phone is all.

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Settings wise, itā€™s slightly easier to set from the app, since a telephone has better UX than a washing machine.

*turns dial to 30, presses start*

Right, UX, yeah yeah

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I have more settings than a timer, so if I want to do more than just press the start button, which is what I usually do, itā€™s slightly easier to use the phone.

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2 points

Only reason I have a smart washer and dryer is so they can send me a notification when they finish their load. As someone with ADHD and anxiety thatā€™s a godsend.

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2 points

Why would you abuse a washing machine? How much do you have to wash that such a machine would not be a complete waste of resources and money?

You donā€™t buy a truck just because every container is moved by trucks when all you transport is yourself and a bag.

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1 point

Not a Texan, I see.

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3 points

I got one of these after my Samsung literally caught fire and it isā€¦ fine. Kinda small, loud, and beeps incessantly sometimes when nothing is running to the point I have to unplug it at night lest it go off at 4am again. Has yet to explode so soft recommend from me

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3 points

Hey, thatā€™s our new metal band name: Speed Queen!!

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18 points

What do people even do with their wifi appliances?

Timing, automatic and stuff. To keep the washing machine example: you want the laundry out of the machine as soon as possible go hang it up as fresh as possible. Youā€™re having a long day ahead of you, not a long time between coming home and going to bed, not enough for a full laundry run at least. You load up your machine before leaving home and remote start it the adequate time so itā€™s done shortly after youā€™re back home.
At least thatā€™s what Iā€™d use such features for.
Other people listen to Spotify over their fridge.

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11 points

But regular washing machines have programmable start times. I have a cheap Beko and can set it to start up to 19 hours in advance.

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7 points

Main thing is I get a notification on my phone when itā€™s done. Iā€™m not always near my washer. Sometimes I forget. The times vary a lot by load size so a timer itā€™s as good. Saves me time and keeps my clothes from getting moldy

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5 points

Triggering home automation too. Like ventilating the laundry when itā€™s washing/drying and for half an hour after.

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I cannot help but imagine people in a few decades to be completely detached from basic physics in the house and unable to plan for even the smallest things, without having their appliances help them. Then, when somethings not working, they just break down and cry, because they have no concept of how to do basic stuff anymore.

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14 points

Equally good ones without wifi crap are even more expensive I hate it all

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8 points

Probably b/c if they canā€™t monetize your data, then they choose to profit from you in other ways. :-(

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Yep. A bit of that and a bit of ā€œeconomy of scaleā€. If the industry is all in on X, X is going to be cheaper.

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71 points

I bought an ā€œanalogā€ washing machine (I canā€™t believe I just wrote that) because of simplicity. The more complicated something is, the more difficult it is to repair, and the more potential points of failure there are.

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5 points

Yeah but washing machines either use a really simple micro controller or a whole load of really complex voltage based logic and control board electronics that even the guy who designed it couldnā€™t fix without a lot of writing notes and doing maths.

Thereā€™s more to go wrong on an old washing machine and each control board was unique to the machine so tracking down a replacement is hard - a nice simple raspberry pi Pico you can flash over WiFi would make it so easy to switch out one heater for another without too much thought about impedance or upgrade the turbidity sensor without desoldering resistors.

Plus it gives you infinite control over the program cycles allowing you to update up the best wash method for your detergent and lifestyle.

Of course you can only do that with an open source one. I think itā€™s coming, year of the open source desktop kitchen work surface coming soon.

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Thereā€™s more to go wrong on an old washing machine and each control board was unique to the machine

What? Old washing machines just use switches and a cam thatā€™s on a timer. Anyone who can read a basic schematic can figure out what is wrong with one.

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Thatā€™s not really true though, the electronics is pretty complex and requires significant work to use different components - Iā€™m sitting next to a pile of dissembled washing machines so i could talk you through a few of the complexities involved in reworking those if you like

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25 points

Buy a used older model if you need a machine. Because itā€™s cheaper, because it is more basic in its components, because those parts are probably cheaper to buy and replace yourself if need be, and mainly because someone is selling it at its age because it STILL works. Anything tied to a circuit board with a processor is a time bomb.

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You will not get a washing machine without processor, let alone PCB. Processors also hardly ever fail. It is stuff like the voltage conversion which powers the logic side, the actual power switches for the motor, capacitors or simply stuff that corrodes.

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Does an old school washer dryer that runs off timer relays / knobs / push buttons really have a CPU? I ask because thatā€™s how mine is and I havenā€™t had to look at the controls but they seem dead simple to me. I get thereā€™s different cycles but some simple ladder logic should be able to handle that, no? Half the world runs on simple machines like that.

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A newer machine however is a lot more efficient when looking at your energy and water bill.

Switching from an older to a newer machine made quite a difference on my monthly bills.

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Having a newer machine cost me slightly less money on utilities, and considerably more in washing machine parts.

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8 points

Mine has analog dials. I consulted several ā€œbuy it for lifeā€ communities before I purchased. Anything to cut down on unnecessary complications.

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Are there any of these communities you could recommend?

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2 points

What is it

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