r/redditalternatives thread: This is why I don’t trust anything on reddit. A r/modcoord thread full of anti-fediverse comments, and all of my pro-fediverse comments are removed and the mods won’t answer why. https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205116/https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/193iuf1/this_is_why_i_dont_trust_anything_on_reddit_a/
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they are terrified of the fediverse. it offers everything they do, but with none of the bullshit… all we need is momentum.
I’m pretty happy with fediverse as it is. If we had the size they do id be yelling into the wind again like in my last years there. I don’t want this place to be anything like what reddit became. Now that i know what it can be like i don’t want to go back, not even to reddit circa 2010 when i found it
I want the niche subs to migrate. And for that, the Fediverse needs to be the default, which requires numbers.
Yeah it’s a damn tricky balance. In order for there to be enough people to support super niche communities, you need a shit load of people. If you have a shit load of people, then posts on All have tens of thousands of comments, so the odds of you being able to say something and have a discussion goes drastically down.
Personally, I love being able to sort by Top 12 Hours, comment on the top post and having people respond. I also like that it’s not at all rare to have someone comment on a post I made weeks ago, since posts aren’t drowned out by the mass of content. Sure I don’t have a community to talk about the nitty gritty details of the latest game I’m playing, or whatever, but I think it’s a nice trade off.
Yeah, I am super happy with what we have here, Redditors can come here at whatever pace they like but I won’t rush them. I spent my last month on Reddit (in June) helping people move to Lemmy, but there were so many comments of “why are you still here then, lul”, so I left that site and haven’t bothered since.
why are you still here then, lul
I dont understand that mindset from people. are they trying to bait you into conversation or put you down or are they genuinely not know that “a captain leaves the ship last to rescues his crew”
Most of those comments criticizing Lemmy are actually criticisms that apply to reddit.
I’m far more likely to find a community full of Nazis on reddit than I am here. It’s not something that most instances would tolerate. Meanwhile, the default subs on reddit have comment sections filled with thinly veiled white nationalist accounts and drop-shipping scambots.
I guess technically such instances do exist in the fediverse, but they’re effectively silenced because every major instance defederates from them.
They’re are definitely some real aggressive ones, I lost my old account but I had one constantly try to pick apart every aspect of what I said. It ended up with me basically saying I’m confused at this point, I might be too autistic to understand where you’re coming from. Then they accused me of lying because I admitted to being wrong on a few points.
I’m not a fan of their aggressiveness, they are an extreme but not fascist extreme.
“Fascist” isn’t really the correct term since they’re subscribers to left-wing authoritarianism/state Marxism, whereas fascism is exclusively right-wing. Don’t get me wrong – it’s still problematic – but at least their end goals are ostensibly worthy (whether or not you think they’re sincere about actually achieving communism as a stateless, classless society is another matter), while fascism seeks oppression by design.
I’ve had hexbears be consistently hostile and even outright bigoted (which surprised me), so I block the instance and every hexbear account on sight, but I do at least understand why an instance might not fully defederate from them.
outright bigoted
Just because they take a different approach to improving peoples conditions that is more concrete than the paper thin protections offered by capitalist societies gay acceptance doesnt make them outright bigoted. Which is basically a ‘we wont put you in an insane asylum or prison anymore but we will use you as moral panic bait forever in our newspapers to turn a profit’ approach.
LGBT+ liberation must include improving peoples material conditions, countries actively being genocided or deprived because of western policies deserve our support as victims of our own aggression too; If you actually care about LGBT+ people globally it means stopping our devestation of them, then letting them heal.
I’ve been to China, I felt much more safe there as a openly bi man with my male partner at the time than I ever do in the UK; our news whips people up into a frenzy and makes people attack each other physically, you dont get the same undercurrent of rage in socialist countries towards LGBT+ people, just a lack of understanding.
Not really. Most instances I’ve seen aren’t federated with them. I had to go out of my way to find an instance that was because I don’t want defederation to be the first tool now that instance blocking exists on a user level. I also didn’t want the biased and trigger-happy mods of Lemmy.ml who seem to ban users and delete comments at a moment’s notice. Notably, the biggest instance, lemmy.world, is not federated with them, and so for most first-time users who go there it does make Lemmy a less hostile place.
Do I have to keep tapping the sign? Or can you just stop trying to equate communists with fascists?
In a just world, this kind of comment would be grounds for a warrant to search your hard drive for illegal content. They’d probably bust a lot of creeps that way.
In a just world, this kind of comment would be grounds for a warrant to search your hard drive for illegal content. They’d probably bust a lot of creeps that way.
Omega_Haxors, you’re free to defend hexbear or any other instance as much as you want. However witch hunting is not to be tolerated, as per rules #1 and #4, and implying that someone must be a criminal (or a “creep”) for having a stupid take on hexbear and two governments is witch hunting. Don’t do this.
Further violations of the rules will not be tolerated, specially not if witch hunting is involved.
it’s a problem with an elegant solution: block that instance on user level. Unlike reddit, you will have to mute a community, and block all the user one by one.
Blocking on a user level kinda sucks. When you’re in a conversation you expect to be participating in the same conversation as everyone else, not to be blind to half of what is going on.
Why are you surprised?
We left reddit for good reason.
I’ve also been pretty creeped out by how many pro-reddit people there are on lemmy. It’s really weird.
I haven’t really seen that many, are you noticing them somewhere in particular?
I feel like I’m more “pro-Reddit” than a lot of other users here, in that I’m supportive of people that want to use both while working on the Lemmy alternative to whatever subreddit they might still want to use.
Some useful communities didn’t get rolling on here yet (career communities, niche hobbies and interests, social causes) and it’s ok if people want to check them to keep up. People have lives outside of Reddit/Lemmy.
That’s about the extent of the pro-Reddit that I’ve seen on here. It’s possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation? I can take a look later too
No, not one place in particular. All over. This thread https://sh.itjust.works/post/12661975 is a recent example. When I got there it was full of people making excuses for people staying on reddit, and I got downvoted for pointing it out https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7470095.
I’ve even seen it in places like lemmy.world/reddit, so I’m glad that !snoocalypse@lemmy.ml exists.
It’s possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation?
I considered that, but it’s not just votes, there are plenty of comments too.
Ohh ok
Yea I personally find most of those points reasonable, but I get why you might disagree
As for your point in that comment: If some community actively opposes migrating, then that’s likely bad and it should be called out. A lot of the communities I’ve encountered seem to have the mindset of “we are open to it but don’t have the time/energy to do it ourselves”. I’m helping with a few communities like that :)
It’s so weird because r/modcoord is the place to be when talking about reddit blackout, it’s where people get info on what’s happening, what to do, and how to move on, but then now it’s back to business. The reddit blackout sure give me a clearer perspective on why a lot of boycott fail.
Imo, the boycott failed when mods of popular subreddits caved to demands and decided to reopen.
As soon as they reopened, reddit was back in business. The mods tried to pass it off as “well we’re going to protest within the rules of Reddit” by doing shit like only post John Oliver or really childish shit.
It was funny but still childish.
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
I really wanted the blackout to work. And it could have. But when the mods caved, reddit won.
If you and me came here because of the api thing, we won. Reddit doesn’t know what they’re missing cus we’re cool and great
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
My guess is that they decided that the little fictitious power that they had over their communities was worth dealing with an obnoxious administration, that outright belittles them as “landed gentry”. As such, they never actually planned any sort of migration out of Reddit, and instead rationalised their decision to stay there as “we’re thinking on the users”.
I’d have to check, but I think even during the protest there were some issues around modcoord. The users in control seemed to be recommending against Lemmy and for Kbin (or some other thing that never took off), and removing comments that disagreed.
Meanwhile Lemmy and Kbin have been coexisting amicably lol
So now that Lemmy/Kbin have settled in as the key alternatives, they are clamping down harder?
Edit: Interesting, I had some details off but it looks like the user who pushed for Kbin is the one making this thread. Nice to see that the user is open minded
Now, I want to make a bold statement: I think Lemmy is the best alternative to Reddit, and the most likely to compete with it, even though it has a long way to go against Reddit itself. I used to be a Lemmy supporter, but then I moved to Kbin and recommended others to do the same, after learning about the problematic political views of Lemmy’s developers, especially regarding human rights and such. But I realized later that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and that this is not an issue as long as the project is open source, with an open development, and as long as you avoid instances like lemmygrad. Most instances, like lemmy.world (which is also the biggest Lemmy instance), are not run by them and do not share their views. Lemmy’s developers also clarified that their personal views will not affect the platform itself.
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I love lemmygrad! I can see different povs than the western centric l ones we get.
As far as i know they haven’t yet destroyed my mind comrade (oops!) Uh oh…
I don’t love lemmygrad but I love that it exists. I don’t mind hearing differing opinions, quite the opposite; I welcome it. Probably an unpopular opinion but I wouldn’t mind having more right-wingers here aswell. The only thing I have an issue with regarding groups like this is the trolling.