I have a solution:
governments should heavily fine companies that are subject to data breaches.
If it cost them real money (proportional to their market cap, the amount of customers affected, and/or the severity of the breach) to allow a data breach, I’m betting they’d shore up those holes REALLLLLLLLLL QUICK.
This is always the answer. “How do we solve x in y industry?” Make the fucking corpos responsible for their own asses and it will get fixed. If it costs them more money to be breached they will do everything they can to not allow that.
That, or threaten to nationalize their industry. Corporations *hate * that.
Communications should always be nationalized. It was a mistake letting corporations gatekeep phones and internet.
It’ll also screw over anyone trying to break into the market, ensuring that the big tech companies remain unchallenged indefinitely.
Disagree if you add the three different factors that I added to account for this in my original comment:
As I wrote in my edit, I think the size of fine should be dependent on:
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size of company
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the reasonable expectation of security (which would partially attempt to decrease fines for unfixable breaches)
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the number of unique users affected
They’re too busy proposing legislation to create back doors that completely circumvent security in the first place.
Nah, throw the board members in prison. If the punishment for crime is a fine then it’s legal for rich people/corps. Put 'em in solitary and feed them nutraloaf for one day for each person’s data they allowed to be leaked.
If they get all the money because they’re ultimately responsible, we should make them ultimately responsible.
Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
Nutraloaf (also known as meal loaf, prison loaf, disciplinary loaf, food loaf, lockup loaf, confinement loaf, seg loaf, grue or special management meal) is food served in prisons in the United States (and formerly in Canada) to inmates who have misbehaved, abused food, or have inflicted harm upon themselves or others. It is similar to meatloaf in texture, but has a wider variety of ingredients. Prison loaf is usually bland, even unpleasant, but prison wardens argue that nutraloaf provides enough nutrition to keep prisoners healthy without requiring eating utensils.
HELL YEAH, comrade! 🌹
I was just working inside of the confines of shitliberalism because it’s seemingly all we have in the United Corporations that run America.
As much as I agree that something needs to be done to these companies, and that they deserve punishment, I think this approach would only result in leaks (even more) underreported, which makes it even worse.
Are these leaks even being reported by companies? Every article I have seen so far has just been compiling information off the new leaked data set someone picked up off the dark web or something.
They weren’t, which is why the SEC updated 17 CFR Parts 229, 232, 239, 240, and 249.
https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/final/2023/33-11216.pdf
As of December 18th of last year, publicly traded companies are now required to disclose breaches. (soz, material cybersecurity incidents).
Prior to that, they could …basically… just effectively sweep everything under the rug “like it never happened” minus a little handwaving and paper shuffling and nobody would find out about it until the information got sold and went public.
I’ll have to go looking but I would be SERIOUSLY surprised if the disclosures apply to credit card companies (the MOST breached, historically) because I’m not sure what exactly qualifies someone as an asset-backed issuer, but it’s at least a really good step for the REST of things.
Article 82, paragraph 1 of the GDPR:
Any person who has suffered material or non-material damage as a result of an infringement of this Regulation shall have the right to receive compensation from the controller or processor for the damage suffered.
Paragraph 2:
Any controller involved in processing shall be liable for the damage caused by processing which infringes this Regulation
Article 24, paragraph 1:
**[T]he controller shall **implement appropriate technical and organisational measures to ensure and to be able to demonstrate that processing is performed in accordance with this Regulation.
Article 5, paragraph 1f:
Personal data shall be: […] processed in a manner that ensures appropriate security of the personal data, including protection against unauthorised or unlawful processing and against accidental loss,
Article 83, paragraphs 2 and 5:
Each supervisory authority shall ensure that the imposition of administrative fines pursuant to this Article in respect of infringements of this Regulation referred to in paragraphs 4, 5 and 6 shall in each individual case be effective, proportionate and dissuasive.
Infringements of the following provisions shall, in accordance with paragraph 2, be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher:
(a) the basic principles for processing, including conditions for consent, pursuant to Articles 5, 6, 7 and 9;
Article 4, paragraph 7:
‘controller’ means the natural or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data
(All quotes are excepts, emphasis mine
I got lost in the comments… why did you paste that here? To show that it is possible to make the data controller liable for breaches?
They won’t because fines are just a fee to allow them to run unethically. That way businesses get more profit than they would otherwise and government gets their cut to allow it. It’s broken by design.
This is the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. You don’t fine a bank for getting robbed. This reeks of frontend engineer idiocy, which is ironically the exact type of idiocy that tends to cause breaches like this.
Every time some corporatist replies to me, they’re always kbin.
Your analogy falls apart with even a cursory thought about the differences between banks (which are required to be insured against loss which would make a customer whole again without any negative effects) and corporations that just throw all of their customers’ data onto a portal that lacks basic protection. Once that personal data is compromised, there’s no way to repay the customer and no amount of fines will EVER right that wrong. In a properly-regulated, just society, a bank would ABSOLUTELY be fined back to the Stone Age if they left their customers’ cash in the middle of a town square, for example.
Be better, you corporate cuck.
Ok then, how about considering that this will only serve to benefit the big tech companies because they’re the ones that can afford the fines? A breach is usually enough to make a smaller company go out of business already between cleanup and lawsuits. Why make it easier for the big tech companies to maintain power?
Kind of worrying when their source is a “data breach information website” that does advertorials for “the most safe password manager” NordPass. 🤮 The internet of today has become a pile of absolute shit.
We should make a new internet in the dark web, but only invite cool people. No billionaires, narcs nor finks allowed !
No narcs or finks? What about patsies or stoolies? Can we at least have phonies?
Yes: -coolsters -rad dudes -rockin chicks -chill peeps
No: -bilionaires -narcs -finks -Howard (yes you, Howard)
I think it’s gotten to the point that we. (Collective) Have to start using alias. I know proton for a price gives fake mobile and email address.
I have started using a 5th email to sign up to things. Have an extra number as well. It’s beyond a joke really.
Tried to sign up for a budget app and it requires email phone and address.
No. No you don’t require any of that. You want that to sell. And you’ve likely got inadequate protection.
Nobody but my bank job and maybe a few places require all my info.
Oh proton gives mobile too… Ya know I didn’t feel like paying for the mail thing as I can have my domain and relay easily but the mobile thing I didn’t know.
But I will be honest I didn’t see it mentioned on the web, it’s already a thing?
Could you use Google voice to generate a dumby phone line ? There are probably better non-google options now though.
The problem here is that all of the registration information that is listed for a number (OCN, LATA, etc) allows them to track back what TYPE of number it is based on what ILEC/CLEC it’s registered with and how it’s registered.
This means when I put my google voice number into some things, they can come back and yell that it’s not a mobile phone, or that it’s a virtual number, or whatever and disallow it.
Yeah except it’s fully FOSS. If you set up nextcloud there’s even a web app for it that’s pretty good.
Not until a politician or billionaire is harmed by these breaches will we see some action.
I don’t think so.
Trump himself was victim of credential stuffing. And he’s not the only politician or billionaire who has suffered stolen accounts of something.
That seems weird, it’s called mother of all breaches, but isn’t the result of any one breach. It’s just data collection from ordinary breaches with perhaps some credential stuffing in the mix.
