This week, Republican governors across the country escalated their conflict with the Biden administration over the southern border by invoking the same legal theory that slave states wielded to justify secession before the Civil War.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, joined by 25 other GOP governors, now argues that the Biden administration has violated the federal government’s “compact” with the states—an abdication that justifies state usurpation of federal authority at the border.

This language embraces the Confederacy’s conception of the Constitution as a mere compact that states may exit when they feel it has been broken. It’s dangerous rhetoric that transcends partisan grandstanding. And as before, it’s being used to legitimize both nullification and dehumanization.

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You know what happens when theories are tested and found out to be false?

They’re no longer used.

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Republicans: “Since when??”

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Ivermectin, creationism, abstinence policy on anything, trickle-down; were you thinking of any of those theories?

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Even a single red state ‘leaving’ the US would crush their house majority and deprive them of two senators. No way it happens.

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Stop, now I want it to happen

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Even better, since they receive more federal money than they give, we’d be left with excess money that can be used for states that actually give a damn about their people.

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Texas might be the one red state that’s not true for. They make a lot of money, it helps that they have oil.

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But you forget that they only make that money as part of the US. If they were their own country they would have to replicate a lot of government institutions, with little experience or help from other countries.

It would be very expensive to put an embassy in every country around the world, or negotiate trade agreements. The UK is fucked after leaving the EU and they already had all the government infrastructure and relationships set up.

Texas is not a signatory of NAFTA, so they would literally be left out of North American trade. They’d end up at the level of Mexico in 20 years due to brain drain.

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Yeah, but they know a Democratic majority in the Senate will have just enough Manchins to be effectively a Republican majority.

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I love how you’re downvoted for saying something factually true. It’s so insanely frustrating how much in denial Americans are about Democrats being center-right.

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I agree about the centrist part, but not because of Manchin.

Manchin isn’t some rotating villain conspiracy. He’s from fucking West Virginia. What are you expecting? Dems don’t vote in lockstep, and need more than the slimmest majority to legislate.

Republicans aren’t much different. It’s not like they’re legislating.

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If these GOP governors actually gave a shit about fixing the border, they would be pushing the GOP congress to unblock the border bill. But they want the crisis to fester so they can campaign on it.

Opportunist scum.

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At this point Biden should stretch executive privilege and figure out how to check off as many boxes on the bill that he can. He’s already subverted Congress getting aid to Israel.

What’s the worst that can happen? They impeach him? They already are determined to at least give that show. I would love to see ComerPyle try to explain how they are impeaching him over increased border security.

Maybe Texas sues him. Okay Abbot, let’s see how you justify suing the administration for providing more border agents, more tech, more personnel and resources.

One could argue that the MAGAts in Congress have breached the covenant of 3 coequal branches of government. I would never say that any one branch should act unilaterally, or do so without potential consequence, but this is mad. They are not doing their job, they aren’t debating, and are actively throwing a tantrum like a child.

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When I hear shit like this, it makes me think Sherman didn’t go far enough. He should’ve eradicated the South and given the land to the union. Slaveowners should’ve been arrested and stripped of their property rights. Southern states should’ve been dissolved and their governments reconstituted by the union.

The union should’ve crushed the south and occupied it like the US occupied Nazi Germany post-WWII.

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I live in Tennessee and I’ve had 2 coworkers tell me, independently of one another, that Nazis got a “raw deal” and that, and I quote, “their opinions are just as relevant” as Democrat opinions.

These are guys who go to church and like to brag about how über Christian they are while simultaneously saying that Texans should be allowed to legally open fire on immigrants. Lincoln was too light on the South and Andrew Johnson was so shitty that he openly tried to benefit the postbellum Southerners.

The South continues to prove that it didn’t deserve the reconstruction. Imagine if Germans allowed pieces of shit to openly fly swastika flags and proclaim that “The Reich will rise again.”

That’s what we’re up against here. Every single day I see the “rebel” flag being flown and celebrated and about once a month I hear someone in public talking about how there should be a rebellion. They legitimately believe that they can fight off the United States military and their rationale is that “The government won’t open fire on its own citizens” so they can just attack unabated.

It’s fucking banana sandwiches in this shit hole.

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“Not like that! I want all of the privilege but none of the responsibility. Why are you being so unreasonable?!”

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Reminds me of Quebec. They wanted to separate from Canada but wanted to still use Canadian money and still have access to national Canadian programs.

It’s not a pick and choose situation as much as you like it. You’re either in the country and a part of it, or you’re not.

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Honestly, it’s the story of conservatives literally everywhere.

Conservatives in UK: We want all of the benefits of being in the EU but not pay as much into it as those other countries, use our own money.

EU: SIGH Fine!

(Later)

Conservatives in UK: We want out! We can’t stand the fact that non-white people can enter our country whenever they like. And we don’t want refuges.

EU: Fine!

(Later, after brexit)

Conservatives: why can’t we just travel to Europe like we used to?

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Britain is going through that regret right now after leaving the EU.

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What got me was wanting to be able to continue to have Canadian Passports.

A lot of these movements are dominated be people that have a lot of pride in their region (which is fine) but don’t have a good grasp on international affairs to the point that they don’t actually understand what it means to be a country.

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They’d still be able to use Canadian money. There are eleven countries right now that use US currency as their official currency. The Canadian federal programs are right out, though.

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Stuff like that can be negotiated between parties.

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Plenty of autonomous regions around the world with these same kinds of arrangements.

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ME? Take responsibility for MY actions?

Lol no. That’s a YOUR thing.

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They do this on the micro level all the time with that “sovereign citizen” horse manure - going on and on about their “rights”? What fucking rights? You declared yourself someone who is not a citizen of the United States?!

So if Texas were to secede, then cry that their electoral votes don’t count, that would just be the sovereign citizen BS writ large.

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Conservatives don’t accept responsibility for anything but only want the privileges

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