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Since when is Russian economy “centrally planned”? Do we have a different definition of it?

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My understanding is that state owned enterprise has become very dominant in Russia after the start of the war, and a lot of private business is now being state directed. So, I think it’s fair to say that the commanding heights of the economy are largely under state control now.

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That’s not based on the article is it? The article seems to attribute growth primarily to the war economy.

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state owned enterprise has become very dominant in Russia after the start of the war

Kind of what he said?

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The war industry isn’t actually that big of the overall percentage of the overall economy. Western publications tend to focus on the war industry as the explanation, but the reality is that western decoupling opened up a lot of economic niches that are now being filled domestically.

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I see Russia is again trying what failed in the past.

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You’re right. They will never convince the west to shed their liberal brainworms.

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I mean, if everything else has failed, you might as well check any other alternatives you’ve relied upon…

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You are either ignorant of history or you have a different definition of what constitutes failure than normal people. State directed economies have been objectively the most successful model in human history for rapidly and as widely as possible improving material conditions.

What has failed in the past and continues to fail is actually the liberal economic model.

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Which command economies are providing increases in material conditions right now?

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Well, Russia for one.

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China, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, Belarus, DPRK, and if it is true that Russia is switching to a more state driven model then you can count Russia too because they are seeing a lot of growth with even more forecasted to come.

Meanwhile most of Europe is in recession, the US only has fake financialized growth, while the countries in the global south where the neoliberal model has been imposed are utter failures, just look at the disaster in Argentina.

You seem confused as to what the terms we are using actually mean since you speak of “command economies” rather than state led economies. State led does not mean absence of a market and it does not imply total economic planning. It means that the commanding heights of the economy are in the hands of the state which steers the overall direction of the economy. It does not have to look exactly like the USSR did, though that was a very successful model that was fit for the purpose of turning a backwards agrarian society into a modern industrial superpower.

And by the way, many of the advanced capitalist economies also got to where they are because in the past they employed state driven models of economic development as well as heavy protectionism. This is particularly true for Japan and occupied (“South”) Korea, but also for European countries like Germany (the latter just did it earlier).

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China, obviously for one. Also Russia according to the article.

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Check out “People’s Republic of Walmart” it’s great, goes into how the big corporations are centrally planned and that’s why they’re so efficient. Second Thought did a 10 minute cover of it if youtube essays are more your style.

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Failure is when your economy gets better. In the past, failure is when you go from a feudal backwater to a spacefaring superpower in the span of a single human lifetime. If only they could be economically successful, like Britain or America.

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beat the USA in the space race

“failed”

utterly delusional

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37 points

if France gets a GDP boost by cranking their military budget into their state arms companies i don’t think anybody would call that central planning. has Russia really reorganized their economy?

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46 points

During the first world war imperialist countries used a centrally planned economy, while still remaining bourgeois dictatorships.

This is not a dunk on capitalism, only yet another proof that “free market” is objectively utter bullshit because even capitalists know

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24 points

is russia a centrally planned, mobilized economy right now? this isn’t rhetorical

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13 points

I don’t have enough knowledge to answer, I’m just saying that it’s not unrealistic when looking back at History

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36 points

Military spending is still a small part of overall GDP in Russia, so the claim that Russian economy is recovering due to cranking up of their military budget doesn’t make sense. A far more sound explanation is that decoupling from the west created economic niches that are now being filled domestically. And I think it is fair to say that Russian economy has been reorganized in the past two years with state owned enterprise such as Rostec taking a much more prominent role.

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Rostec is a military manufacturer! further, what you’re describing isn’t supported by the article and doesn’t really sound like central planning. when Pemex has a good year Mexico is not any less neoliberal

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I’m not going by just the article itself. Details of Russian economy are well documented.

Rostec is also a lot more than just a military manufacturer. Meanwhile, there have been plenty of articles over the past two years that explain how Russia is reverting back from liberal policies and putting the state in commanding heights of the economy.

A 2023 World Bank study gives a pretty good overview. In particular, it distinguishes between businesses of the state (BOS), that are at least 10% government owned by some government, and state owned enterprises (SOE), which are majority owned or more, and controlled, by the government.

Top line result is shown in the following chart:

And here’s another chart showing SOE in Russia compared with China https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/state-owned-enterprises-global-economy-reason-concern

Russia’s high levels of SOEs is not far behind China by many measures.

Central bank plays a big role in Russia as well, and has large influence over the funding of the private enterprise. FT even moaned about state directed economy standing up to sanctions back in 2022.

Finally, here’s an article talking deprivatization of Russian economy.

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Probably in no means comparable to that of the Soviet Union, but the damage done to the oligarchs’ wealth and influence (who no one liked anyways for obvious reasons, who had been a serious hurdle for the Russian state to deal with, and who had ironically been pretty pro-western or west-compromised) is something incredibly positive to consider- as is the exodus of western corporations, leaving their assets to be bought up on the cheap and their roles to be filled by local or Chinese brands, and the newfound push back to self-sufficiency in many fields.

Any one of these three aspects alone would be more than enough to call it a serious reorganizing (though not one remotely as drastic as returning to communism, sadly), economically, and politically.

Russia is probably not returning to communism anytime soon, but it’s headed in incredibly decent places if you ask me (other than the issues of conservative politics, but they’re not headed into fascism either unlike much of the west, and they remain non-imperialist). And if you ask me- it’s not the best case scenario, sure, but it’s an exceedingly good thing for Russia and the wider world.

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7 points

You keep thinking that, real ones (and the overwhelming majority of the world outside of the most brainwashed of westerners) know what’s up.

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2 points

such as?

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32 points

Looks like the US is remaking the Soviet Union. Thought that’s what Putin was supposed to be doing.

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20 points

Capitalism has winners and losers and the winners don’t like competition. This leads to monopoly. The real questions is if the monopoly meets the needs of the people and have a way for the people to fight those in power with the excesses.

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Every stable economies are Keynesian

Every failed economies are called Free Market

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