After Valve says no, Dwarf Fortress and Deep Rock Galactic devs unite to get "very serious" about their very silly demand for a dwarf tag on Steam, and they want your help

Given the ableist connotation I think valve is in the right on this one

I’m relatively short and wide in shoulders. Fuck me, I guess, for feeling represented?

You should feel represented. And so should girl gamers who the Deep rock Devs have continually said aren’t worth the effort of even 1 female character.

And while we’re at it they should add tall dwarves too! So anyone tall who plays it feels represented

I think it’s more that it’s a meaningless tag. Dwarf fortress and drg are totally different games. Do all games that have any amount of dwarves get this tag? Does LOTR count for Gimli, or total war Warhammer for having a Dwarf playable race, or elder scrolls for the dwemer which are dwarves?

There are lots of tags about themes, not gameplay. This would be one more.

Is Dwarf really a theme though? Even in theme the sci-fi drg isn’t really similar to traditional fantasy dwarves in Dwarf fortress.

As a huge dwarf lover, this would be great for me. I’ve loved playing dwarves ever since I played Golden Axe at the arcade. Whenever there’s a dwarf as a playable character I’m more interested in the game. In fact, I dislike Skyrim for having elves but no dwarves.

In Elder Scrolls lore, the dwarves are elves. So are the orcs.

Agreed Valve isn’t that shortsighted.

What able-ist connotation?

Assuming you’re asking from a place of wanting to know. “Dwarf” is a term that has been used in the past to describe little people or those suffering from dwarfism. It can be a negative word for some in that community and is tied to ableism in that way

It’s also the preferred descriptor for some. I’ve had friends with dwarfism that thought “little people” was condescending as hell and hated it.

None of this is ever black and white. Especially when it’s just interjecting into comments on the Internet talking about the fantasy race that’s either Jews with battle axes or persons from Svartálfheim.

Yeah, and it is also the name of a race of people from fantasy stories that were completely made up. Yes, fantasy races are based on human phenotypes. That doesn’t make the names of those races a slur.

From what I’ve heard, I think that is the officially accepted term from the community that most prefer, or am I behind the times?

honestly couldn’t they easily sidestep that whole can of worms by requesting a ‘dwarves’ tag instead

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I’m sorry, how is the exploitation of little people as a tourist attraction equivalent to fantasy dwarves? The first one is a reduction of human beings and the condition they live with to a sideshow curiosity; the second is a story that was made up for entertainment. I don’t see how the latter is related to the former.

I don’t think it’s worth a downvote, but what’s the ableist connotation? It’s not a judgment of disabled people or dunking on people with dwarfism, it’s just a tag for a would-be genre of games.

They think the existence of fantasy dwarves is ableist because of a homonym

Deep rock is getting serious about dwarf representation. But still thinks female characters aren’t worth the effort?

It’s easier to make fantasy men than literally 1 woman. I would call it a joke, but those are funny. This is just sad and infuriating.

It’s an indie game and they would have to hire new voice actors. Frankly, it doesn’t matter in the slightest.

Indie dev that have made around 100 million dollars on Steam https://vginsights.com/game/548430

Should have just said that it already has female dwarfs and refused to elaborate.

The Tolkien way, too. Remember Gimli’s bit about people thinking there aren’t dwarf women because they can’t tell them from the men?

For those confused, discworld dwarfs have both males and females. However, both are stocky and have beards. They also are very egalitarian regarding jobs etc. They long ago gave up correcting the surface races regarding their gender, who assume a burley minor in heavy armour, and a thick beard, is a male dwarf.

I mean, Cheery is one of the best characters in the series.

Did you read the article? Are you familiar with the concept of tech debt? Sounds like they would have to put the rest of the game dev on hold for months if not a year to make progress, and they’re already known as a company with slow dev because they take care of their employees and don’t crunch.

I mean I agree I want female dwarves in the game, but it’s literally millions of dollars to implement

Except you can do it incrementally and just have a female dwarf that doesn’t support everything.

WTF? Valve are you serious?

They’re careful. They probably don’t want a tag, about which articles will be made, saying “valve evil they make fun of dwarfism”

At that point, make it ‘dwarves’ so its clear its about the fantasy race, rather than making fun of dwarfs.

You think the people that write and read clickbait headline care?

Valve knows that making a story about it will drive more sales.

I think the way tags work is that steam shows the most commonly used tags. But you can still add your own. If enough people add a dwarf tag then eventually it’ll start appearing as an option for other people.

Screw layoffs, this is the actual Gaming Industry Disaster™

I fucking love dwarves, I’m all for a dwarf tag.

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