When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this

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Operation Northwoods

Wtc7 a building not hit by a plane collapsed. With there being a video of the leaseholder saying they brought it down on purpose because it was badly damaged. Controlled demolition takes weeks of planning.

Plus the BBC reported on wtc7 collapsing too early, the building was still visible in reporters background

It is the only day in history that 3 steel buildings collapsed because of fire

Firefighters reported explosions going off in the basement just before the plane hit the building

Reports of pools of melting iron which allegedly can only be caused by thermite. Thermite would also be the reason why there was so much dust

The Pentagon; no good footage of the plane hitting. All the camera footage of surrounding business have been confiscated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

https://www.facebook.com/rallyforjustice/videos/wtc-owner-larry-silverstein-gave-order-to-pull-building-7/1313503455744806/&ved=2ahUKEwjgpeCxsqqEAxXs9wIHHRVgDdcQo7QBegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw2RmpBAKFmsL8MRumJ8Un3H

https://benthamopen.com/DOWNLOAD-PDF/TOCPJ-2-7/&ved=2ahUKEwi7xo3QsaqEAxUJ7AIHHYKSCZgQFnoECC0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0-5vVgUAuvoyabZ6icDfJ_

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For those who actually believe in these theories or are uninformed about them, consider reading this, which is backed up by sourcing and debunks every common 9/11 theory. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

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Reports of pools of melting iron which allegedly can only be caused by thermite.

You can only melt iron with thermite? What?!

Thermite would also be the reason why there was so much dust

Yeah, why else would there be dust…around a gigantic building that collapsed.

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“Controlled demolitions take weeks of planning” because under normal circumstances, the risk of waiting is not that high. That doesn’t mean that subject matter experts aren’t capable of making an intelligent plan in a short period when a building is catastrophically damaged in heavily populated area where waiting can very easily result in more damage and more risk of casualties.

As for “melting iron”, if you’re talking eyewitnesses before the demolition, they have no idea what was melted. If you’re talking after, no shit they used demolition-grade explosives. It was a fucking skyscraper in the middle of a massively populated city that wasn’t stable. It had to come down.

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Why sit around and wait for a “new Pearl Harbor” when you can just make your own? You’d have to be a fool to believe that the official story of 9/11 is the complete truth. The MIC had to justify itself after the collapse of the Soviet Union and steamroll that was Desert Storm.

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Same reason people believe in the Earth being Flat, Vaccines causing Autism, or any other insane bullshit that doesn’t stand up to reason.

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please dont treat all conspiracy theories the same. you can believe the earth is round and that vaccines dont cause autism, while also believing that the government funded terrorists

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If you can prove it, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.

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At the time it was, and the OP was asking about back then.

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It’s easier to believe the people in charge are secretly in control of everything than to believe they’re barely in control of anything.

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This.

Conspiracy theories are comforting because they are more pleasant to believe than the truth, which is that we’re all aboard a ship going full steam ahead with nobody at the rudder.

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It also gives people a sense of deep satisfaction believing they know some dark hidden secret nobody else does… regardless of how absurd it is

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Vanity. It’s the Devil’s favourite sin.

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Nobody’s at the rudder, but also all of us are. Everyone has more capacity than anyone is comfortable with

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And yet, this all powerful government couldn’t even fake finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to “validate” their invasion reasons.

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Government incompetence is the main reason I didn’t go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. They’re too stupid to pull most shit off without tripping over their own dicks.

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Also, at the time, in the west, Al Qaida were a largely unknown terrorist cell operating in far-away third-world countries. It seemed incredible that such a devastating attack could be carried out on US soil by a small group most people had never heard of.

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It certainly wasn’t a plane that hit the Pentagon.

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I watched live TV coverage (online) of the pentagon prior to the fire department showing up. There was a 10-15ft hole and NO wings, NO fire, a small hole only. Somewhere on an old drive I have all the videos available online that day. Have showed those to many people over the years, they all said WTF!!

Watching these videos it was clear there was no plane that hit the pentagon

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Remember they said light poles on the highway were taken out by the plane’s wings too? That’s not even a remote possibility in my mind, cause those poles were like a few feet wide and made of reinforced steel, in theory a plane should just lose its wings and shake, or maybe bend the pole while leaving it standing. But that would explains the lack of any wing impact on the building. Also that wall (only that one wall weirdly enough) was reinforced in such a way as to withstand missile strikes I’ve read. This would explain either version of events, cause the wall would implode the wings on impact most likely leaving little trace aside from small debris, which… don’t even get me started on the debris, but would also be likely if there never were wings, like in a missile strike scenario which may have rendered those light poles destroyed by accident for all we know. Either way it’s suspicious as fuck we only ever got 2-3 frames of the security gate footage, and none from the gas station I believe it was across the street who caught the whole picture.

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Have you ever looked at the base of light poles?

You’ll notice they’re bolted in place. These bolts sheer under significant impact to prevent more expensive damage to whatever they’re bolted to. You can see this happen in videos of car accidents on highways.

The thickness of the light pole is irrelevant, that isn’t the failure point. The massive amount of energy in a large plane moving that quickly should pop off light poles like twigs.

Similarly, a large plane moving that quickly into a reinforced building and instantly exploding should leave very small bits of debris. You can find images of crash sites of planes that have hit cliffs head on, or dove straight into the ground, and you’ll see similar scenes of what appears to be a surprisingly small amount of debris, which is really a plane’s worth of very small pieces. LOTS of energy involved in collisions like that. Especially given how full of fuel the plane was.

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There are pictures of plane debris, one of which is on the wikipedia article of the event.

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I don’t think the surface level observations of someone who has no clue what they’re talking about overrides actual evidence.

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You’re right, I’m a nobody. I’m going off the videos from that day that I saved, which are no longer available. The full cctv coverage from the gas station, the news crew on the ground that was filming when the fire truck showed up(the burned one on the grass). Video shows the fire truck driving up and no fire anywhere, no wings or damage next the small hole. Video also of the portion of the wall collapsing, and when the fire starts. Haven’t been able to find these videos anywhere since 9/12/01. I only believe this since i saved them as it was happening that day. I showed the videos to people over the years and compared them to the documentaries, videos all are edited or after these. Everyone that has seen them is, WTF that isn’t a plane

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Where did the wings and engines of the plane go? Did they neatly fold in to fit into the narrow hole, and then hide under the rubble?

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My boss, along with thousands of other people, was in his car commuting between VA and DC on the 14th street bridge. The plane went right over that bridge to crash into the pentagon. Thousands of cars on the surface streets around the pentagon. Thousands of people in the mid-rise buildings in Crystal City and surrounding areas saw the plane. Everyone driving that morning saw the plane. You cannot discount a plane when so many actually saw it, just because you didn’t.

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Your word vs a mountain of video evidence that all disappeared. Sure.

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You assuming there was a mountain of video evidence. Not my word, all those people who saw it happen.

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