And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.
I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.
He’s the strongest the Democrats can muster, we can’t have any one else (but please don’t criticize him, he’s incredibly weak, a strong breeze will knock him over). Hes the best option we’ve got to stop a Palestinian genocice (oh except earlier today he vetoed a vote via the UN that could have stopped the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people). But we have to vote Biden because Trump would probably be worse (even though, you know, Biden is the one right now supporting the genocide. not hypothetical).
If you think this delusional policy is defensible, right here right now, you are part of the problem.
NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.
THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.
You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.
This is fucking delusional. Democrats are not all further to the left than Biden - you’ll never get conservative votes, but you can sure as shit lose moderate Democrats. And the only leftists not voting Dem at this point, with ‘Day-One Dictator’ running, are people who run fucking purity tests and won’t be satisfied until Biden is waving a red flag. Which, while amusing, is not a realistic way to win an election in the current US.
I am starting to think this is Chuck Schumers secret account with this dumb ass, proven wrong “for every liberal vote we lose, we’ll gain two suburban moms” math.
It’s amazing to me that you’re more angry with the people who can’t vote for an ongoing genocide, then you are for the fucked up undemocratic private process of the Democratic party that is forcing someone unpopular enough to lose without the left because of the genocide.
Also, you know when lgbt people say that they won’t accept rights by abandoning their trans brothers and sisters? You’re the blue MAGA fuck they’re talking about.
Preserving a democracy that sacrifices people or commits genocide is not really preserving a democracy, it’s preserving mob rule without protection for minorities.
You’re in love with a process that doesn’t exist anymore.
Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won’t vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are “purity test” losers is…well, its a take.
Yeah, no, if the opinion is that “This decades-long US policy of supporting a foreign country isn’t ending now, therefore, everyone in the US and in Palestine can get fucked, including me and all of my family members”, that’s not an opinion worth taking seriously.
You can say it’s an understandable emotional reaction, but it sure as shit isn’t a reasonable one.
I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.
No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist and save everyone time.
You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.
Despite what the internet says, most of America is not that progressive. Else we’d have more progressive candidates down ballot. People love to bitch and whine about how there’s no good options. Well that’s because America is pretty conservative on a lot of issues. It’s not like there’s this giant leap from left-leaning to far-right fascists. It’s a huge spectrum. People not wanting to recognize this is why we get posts like this.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate. Unfortunately that’s just not the case. But it is changing. Albeit slowly.
So get out there and campaign or run for office. Because this kind of grandstanding only creates voter apathy.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate.
Yeah fucking right. Money is the number one determining factor in candidate success, and after that it is the organizational power of the DNC. How deluded do you have to be to think that ANY third party is going to be able to muster populist support given the current economic & political paradigm. I’m sorry, but that is just so fucking naive I can’t believe you even tried to float that.
Jesus, get some reading comprehension skills. The person you’re responding to agrees with you.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate
In a word, no. The GOP and the DNC actively collude to ensure that no one else can compete.
No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist
So our choices are 1) fascists who support a fascist or 2) ethnic cleansing apologists who are 100% okay with voting for the man supplying weapons and aid to those committing the cleansing.
Hitler was voted in.
Part of the problem with the political system of fascism is that it leads to scapegoating and then genocide.
We’ve got genocide right now, though.
Hitler was voted in.
Not quite. He was named chancellor. https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/adolf-hitler-1
In 1932, Hitler ran against the war hero Paul von Hindenburg for president, and received 36.8 percent of the vote. … Though the Nazis never attained more than 37 percent of the vote at the height of their popularity in 1932, Hitler was able to grab absolute power in Germany largely due to divisions and inaction among the majority who opposed Nazism.
But your point stands: Hitler gained power in a legitimate fashion. Chancellorship (it’s why that’s the fascist win condition in Secret Hitler, not Hitler being elected President). And then he took the rest of the power and made himself a dictator. Which is why we should be absolutely terrified of risking a Trump election. Giving him the pretense of legitimacy will only make it that much easier for him to take absolute power. And Trump has said he would. He said he’d be “dictator for a day”. Which is the biggest red flag possible.
NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.
Sure, he’s not going to get any right-wing voters, but is he going to lose left-wing voters? There’s still a center, and the majority of people are in there. That majority cares about things like this.
THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.
What progress is that?
You lefties make me want to vote for trump. I’ve been a Democrat my entire life but I hate being associated with you idiots. Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.
If I see one more “lefty” talking shit about Biden, I’m voting for trump and getting the other fence centers to do so. And I hope he leaves NATO and abandons Palestine to be left a crater so you idiots can finally have a reason to cry (wouldn’t matter since you’re always crying).
Great, now we’re having spite Olympics. What’s the point of citizenship if the citizenry isn’t going to take the matter seriously?
Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.
In the interests of furthering discussion, what are some of these good deeds he did that you see as remarkable?
Lowest unemployment rate in the last 50 years
Got us out of Afghanistan
Debt relief for student loans
Cracked down on COVID and made real efforts to eradicate it
Need more?
Imagine thinking that your candidate is above criticism for enabling a genocide 🤡
Go ahead and do what you’re going to do. If someone correctly criticizing Biden for being too right-wing makes you want to vote for Trump, you never had any principles anyway.
“Biden considers vague unspecified action on a subject that over 70% of the American electorate considers a problem, clearly Both Sides are Just As Bad”
See, this is what I mean by “treat them like political pawns.”
By… acknowledging that action in a democracy happens by consensus of the voters?
Tell me, how do YOU think decisions should be made? Who’s your autocrat of choice, here, since democracy is apparently unacceptable?
Answer me: If 70% of the population believed we LGBTQ+ people should be put to death, then you’d think that’s alright?
That’s what you’re doing here, but with immigrants. The real problem is you don’t see immigrants as humans. Their lives are expendable to people like you.
Absolutely disgusting. I don’t know how I can vote for this despicable person again. Appalling. Democrats are supposedly the good party?
Give me one reason to vote for this fascist that isn’t “he’s not Trump.”
P.S. Willem van Spronsen was a hero, and I wish we all could follow his example.
Fuck your imaginary border.
You don’t see me treating refugees and immigrants like political pawns.
Literally fucking over refugees and immigrants under a Trump administration for the sake of your politics. But tell me more about how you’re the Moral Side™
Imagine letting Hitler come to power because Hitler’s opponent wasn’t as nice as you hoped.
They’ll be in line for the death camps with the rest of us loudly proclaiming “At least I didn’t vote for JOE BIDEN”
Don’t know about you, but I rather fight than just give up and get sent to a camp by the likes of the wanna be dictator Cheeto Mussolini.
At this rate Biden is going to open bipartisan death camps and you’ll say “good thing we stopped TRUMP!”
I already threw my vote away by voting for someone who continued Trump’s fascist border policy. ThRoW yOuR vOtE aWaY wake the fuck up, Biden is just more Trump, and his supporters are just as unhinged and cultlike. All you do is parrot the same tired lies.
Biden is just more Trump, and his supporters are just as unhinged and cultlike.
lmao.
Biden’s team somehow thinks that enacting republican policies are going to win him more democrat voters?
Either that or Biden has been a republican this whole time and is enacting policy he openly supports.
Leaning towards the second option, but man. Biden is going to lose the fuck out of this election.
I don’t think there’s much he could do at this point to win my vote. He’s already doubled down on every issue I care about.
And I’m definitely not alone. Fuck neoliberals.
And fyi. I don’t fucking care if the other guy is worse. Please stop saying that shit over and over again.
Biden thinks you will vote for him no matter what, and so is going to focus on winning over so-called “moderate Republicans”
Watch him get even worse as the election gets closer.
Strange that we haven’t seen executive action being floated about stopping weapon shipments to a country engaged in a genocide.
It can’t get much worse.
Actually, Im fairly certain it’s the other way around. The neoliberals have been making these same arguments for over 40 years. “Vote for this guy because the other guy is worse”.
You are the one who keeps doing the exact same thing expecting different results.
I know that probably hurts your feelings. But your feelings are also valid.
Biden is going to lose this election so hard it isn’t even funny.
Im sure the democrats will stand up against this like they did when Trump did it. Lol what a joke.
