94 points

If only we did all politics like this.

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let’s be honest if the argument about anything is religious the person don’t have enough brain to debate anything

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I tend to agree, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve got a bit less strict with thinking all religious people are idiots.

But I’m still pretty fervently of the mind that dogmatic monotheism is honestly one of the — if not the — worst thing that happened to humanity.

The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien [beliefs and cultures]. They invoke divine sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam, and it might not be unreasonable to suggest that it would have been better for Western civilization if Greece had moulded it on this question rather than Palestine.

— Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism#Violence_in_monotheism

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Similar mindset for me. You can have your religion, I don’t care.

But like masturbation, keep it private or with specific loved ones, keep it out of politics, or any public sector, and DEFINITELY keep it away from kids since they can’t consent.

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11 points

Quoth George Carlin… Commandment #11:

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

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The silliest thing is that even YHWH was once but one of the Israelites’ many gods. He just slowly ate away at their pantheon until there was nothing left but anger and jealousy.

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5 points

As I’ve gotten older I’ve done the opposite! If they think there are any gods at all, then they make important decisions without evidence. That always spills over into more physical concerns, like climate change.

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Maybe that is what we need to do. “Decide” on certain moral questions based on best scientific data and our values and sound arguments and then stop debating them. Unless new scientific evidence challenges those moral edicts.

Somehow we keep going round in circles as a civilization.

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4 points

And who exactly can be trusted as the centralized guide for human morality?

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4 points

My vote is for the interviewer in this post.

But srsly, the person you replied to needs to understand just how slippery of a slope his argument is. There’s no such thing as 100% objective morality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F

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Agree with you completely. Now shut up.

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132 points

More debates need a simple “CAN IT”

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63 points

More rough than “can it”. Pretty sure the closer translation would be Shut Up.

I agree with it.

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9 points

My French listening isn’t that good yet. What does he say?

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18 points

Ta gueule.

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13 points

Fermez le bouche

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He said gueule, not bouche. It’s the rougher of the two terms.

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3 points

Fetchez la vache

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Some debates don’t even need to happen anymore. No the earth isn’t flat. No trans people aren’t monsters trying to kill Jesus. No vaccines don’t turn you gay. No the world wasn’t created 6000 years ago.

We’ve legitimized too many morons in the world. Not everything is a debate, some things are just facts that need to be thought to the ignorant.

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17 points

That’s fucking awesome

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-65 points

This is just a strawman.

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19 points

We all wish that were true

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11 points

Look, it’s the rare strawboy!

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8 points

If the debate is about reality, it’s about time the side opposing trans rights opens a scientific journal explaining the differences in the neuroanatomy of trans people and what are empirically proven methods to heal the distress provoked by gender dysphoria. Unless you actually don’t care about any of that, and the debate isn’t really about facts, but rather that the prospect that we may decide to accept that humans are a little more complicated than you had assumed personally annoys you.

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Sure, sometimes it is discussed whether or not children can transition medically (p.s: it’s why they have to go through an army of doctors and psychologists), but to deny that the debate doesn’t revolve around if someone is happy or religion is ignorant.

Countless times I have seen people make the argument that transitioning has a high regret rate, countless of times I’ve seen people invoke religion and try to say being trans is a sin (what with the whole bible quote about men not wearing women clothing).

So when people debate about trans people, 90% of the time it is about someone’s happiness and getting in the way of it.

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30 points

A fully transitioned strawman who’s finally happy and can live his best straw life.

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10 points

Five people so far who don’t know what a strawman is.

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15 points

Yeah nobody brings religion into these debates. They just say things like “God doesn’t make mistakes” without even realising the irony.

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8 points

-1,130 karma

Impressive 🫡

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4 points

I was thinking there needs to be a -scoreboard somewhere.

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5 points

Genuinely a missing component of most debates:

Some questions have these things called “answers.”

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