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That’s a weird action for the #1 genocide maker in the history of the world to make.

It’s almost like he isn’t perpetrating a genocide at all and it’s Israel and netanyahu calling those shots.

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Whose weapons are they using?

Their own, that’s how giving weapons to allies works.

If a kid shoots up a school who is held accountable?:

The person shooting

Or

The retailer/distributor of the weapon used

I’ll let you take your time figuring it out, there are a Ton of case studies thanks to the USA.

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How are you comparing an ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign to a school shooting? The actions of a state are not the same as the actions of an individual

Apartheid

Amnesty International Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Genocide

Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice

AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox

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In the analogy it’s a lot more similar to the parents who give the gun to the kid on the way to school while singing pumped up kicks

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Fun fact, they just convicted a parent of giving a kid a gun which was later used in a school shooting.

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The US has been supplying Israel with these weapons, knowing exactly what they are being used for, and defending Israel on the international stage by vetoing UN ceasefire resolutions repeatedly.

U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts

Full Monday Planned at UN with Focus on US Vetoes of Ceasefire, UNRWA 4th ceasefire veto

How the U.S. Can Rein In Israel

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Let’s say I supply you with a tall glass of shut the fuck up™, it it your call how you use it. Even if you use it to glass an infant sitting next to you, that’s your call to make.

Unless you’re saying Biden is the president of Israel?

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You get that in your scenario, you would be continuing to supply me with glasses, while I continue to glass infants, and express my intent to glass infants because they are human animals. While also defending my rights on the international stage to continue glassing infants with the glasses you provide, vetoing all resolutions to make me stop.

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

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Even if you use it to glass an infant sitting next to you, that’s your call to make.

Erm, no, if you knowingly supplied glasses to a serial baby glasser you’d be arrested for the attacks.

Even if you weren’t, it’s generally accepted that continuing to hand over glasses as more and more infants get glassed would be an extremely fucked up thing to do.

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Genocide Joe propaganda going hard vibes…

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8 points

The irony is palpable.

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What? He’s finally starting to get his fill. I guess a thousand Israelis are worth about 35k Palestinians to old Joe. Or maybe he doesn’t give a fuck about Palestinians and he just wants your vote!

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1 point

Are you mad about a politician changing course because the voters wanted him to?

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It’s less people dying. We can be happy that the genocide will be slightly less effective. Unless your about to pick up a gun and put your “we should demand more” to the test, just for a moment be happy that less people will be dead in the next month than would be otherwise.

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57 points

Overdue.

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I assume that threat is on the table at this point. If we blow our whole wad at once, we won’t be able to ratchet up the pressure each time we need to. Between letting Netanyahu’s political rivals meet with the US government and the VP speaking up now, too. The pattern of incremental pressure is pretty apparent. We don’t want to end up in a situation where we have no leverage left and the war continues.

Meanwhile, Trump is saying Israel should “finish the job” in Gaza.

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Yeah… that’s a cop out.

Israel and everyone else sees the blocking as tacit support. We could at least abstain. You know. Keep our mouths shut.

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81 points

Overdue, but still welcome. I’m gonna assume/pretend it was the less than stellar showing in Michigan that finally got to him.

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And, in a roundabout way, you can thank the Electoral College. Because if the popular vote was all that counted, he might decide that the 100k votes in Michigan were worth staying uncommitted so he could pick up the pro-Israel lobby elsewhere, like on Long Island and in NYC. But Biden is all but guaranteed to win NY, while Michigan is a toss-up.

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Only problem is that it does 99 bad things for every good thing

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8 points

Damn that electoral college. Doing something good every so often.

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Florida also has a sizable Jewish population, but the former swing state has turned red from an influx of retirees over the past several election cycles.

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Maybe, but going against Isreal has been political suicide up until now. The more protests, the easier it makes deviating from unconditional support, which again, has been unbroken US policy since the beginning of Isreal.

Add to that how important our foothold in Isreal is to the US both militarily and economically (in the form of ensuring the safety of shipping down the seas), it’s a huge deal to go against Isreal.

So yeah, protests help give an excuse. It doesn’t mean it’s changed anyone’s minds on the morality of it all, but that it frees them to actually act on something previously untouchable.

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Can you explain how Israel would help in ensuring the safety of shipping? I’d think their location doesn’t really make them much of an influence

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Israel’s popularity has been dropping like a hot rock since the age of social media. But this was even worse. 50% of Americans think Israel has gone too far and another 35% think it’s okay but they shouldn’t keep going. Israel really screwed up.

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I understand that it’s a really hard situation to navigate through. It’s not easy to just unilaterally go against a long term ally overnight. It’s a horrible situation that I’d hate to be in charge of.

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Biden begins backing the resistance to Netanyahu and his war

Hamas?

Benny Gantz is in Netanyahu’s war cabinet. He is not resistance. He aligns with Netanyahu very well.

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105 points

Stop doing business with Israel until the genocide stops

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Israel is happy to keep buying our arms but it more than capable of carrying on without us for several years. They’ve armed to keep pace with Iran and have done a good job at doing so - far surpassing them in nuclear capability. We’d have to do considerably more than just not do business with them.

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Not doing business is something we can do first while we work on the rest.

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I agree, but they’re mainly thinking about not losing our high readiness military bases in Israel. Israel and Kuwait represent our ability to act quickly in the middle east. That somehow seems to be worth more than a genocide.

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Ideally yes, but unfortunately even if Biden does want to do that, existing US doctrine won’t allow it. Israel is basically Americas proxy in the middle east and protects “American interests” in the region from traditionally Russian backed states like Egypt and Iran.

Then there’s all the more kooky stuff like the amount of important and rich people in the US that are either zionists themselves, are Christian zionists who belive Israel needs to exist to bring forth the second coming, or just simply have vested interests in the military industrial complex.

Which all make it so opposing Israels genocide extremely costly in terms of political capital.

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I’m pretty sure that if Biden just decided to withhold (conditionally or otherwise) weapons for Israel that had already been flagged for that purpose by Congress, he’d be running a foul the same rules Trump violated by withholding aid from Ukraine. And regardless of whether he was doing it because he had a legitimate change-of-heart, it would totally look like it was for political gain after the uncommitted votes in the primary.

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The Leahy Law actually demands it. But we’ve been unlawfully shielding Israel from that for so long everyone has forgotten about it. And if you think it wasn’t meant for these specific purposes, here’s Patrick Leahy on the issue.

“On this one, I think that there are violations of the Leahy Law,” Leahy said. “I’m not in the Senate. I can’t fight about it… I’m not the chair of the committee. But everybody who’s asked me in the international press, the national press, I’ve said to them: I think there are violations of the Leahy Law.”

Article, Vermont Digger

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Israel is basically Americas proxy in the middle east

It wasn’t until too recently that I realized this, and it rapidly dispels a whole lot of neo-nazi propaganda that I heard early on in my life (WAY more effectively than “hating Israel is antisemitism” or some BS)

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Our doctrine is whatever we say it is. We control our foreign policy not the other way around. And if we let our previous policy set us up to support dictators and genocidal regimes then our kids are going to be reading about us in text books. Just like we read about our parent’s generation doing that.

Come to think of it, the Silent Generation was in charge back then too. the fuck is going on with them?

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