We should have a gun drive to send out excess weapons and ammo over to Ukraine. Lord knows we have enough guns in this country to spare a few…
Random florida man sitting on his couch sipping a bud light seeing this on fox news and recently got is gun confiscated:
“I’m dooing my part”
He’s probably sipping a Busch or another brand that he doesn’t realize is owned by the same company, because “gO wOkE gO bRoKe”
Republicans support Russia though, for completely unclear reasons that make no sense. Well, republican pundits and also roger waters…
So do nazi parties across Europe. Some sort of enemy of my enemy thinking plus love for the kind of leader Putin is.
Yeah, I think part of it is their reflexive contrarianism, where “Demorcat Party LIKE Ukraine, so we will oppose it! They hate Russia, so we love it!” And yeah, basically Putin has the same politics as they do: fascism. It’s astounding to listen to things he says (as in, the particular style of manipulative lying) and realize it sounds exactly like the BS that Republicans say.
Does Ukraine really want a bunch of guns of different makes and models that accept different types of ammunition? That seems like it’d be more of a hinderance than a help, logistically.
Ukraine has logistics for both NATO and Soviet ammunition. As long as the guns use either of of those it should be fine.
Ukraine has been using a patchwork of different weapons and calibers since the wars beginning. If we want to say all infantry weapons being sent are of the same caliber they have two old Soviet weapons and now NATO standard hardware. Grunts can carry a 7.62x39mm AK, a 5.56x45mm M4, or a 5.45x39mm AK. Ukrainian soldiers have been spotted carrying even older caliber weapons like the Mosin’s 7.62x54mmR, 7.62x51mm NATO in FAL rifles, and I wouldn’t be surprised if older equipment is in use. If this drags out long I’m guessing we will see the gradual standardization around 5.56 with NATO equipment as stores of Russian surplus runs out if it hasn’t already and Ukraine is relying on captured ammunition for it’s AK platform weapons.
On another note I am surprised the US hasn’t supplied 5.56 chambered AK’s, habits die hard in soldiers and I’m sure many would like to have an AK made reliably in the caliber being supplied.
I thought that NATO chambered AKs are relatively rare. Why would US have them anyway? They already got all that M4s.
Izhmash actually exported sporter AKs in .223 for the civilian market for a good number of years. It was a fairly less common model but they are around. Zastava (serbian) made 223 AKs as well. There are US made rifles as well. I would not want to carry any of those odd ducks into battle though when everything around me is 5.45 and 7.62x39, or an AR in its proper caliber. In particular I don’t think the mags are interchangeable with AK74 mags and you wouldn’t want to risk using the wrong ammo anyway.
While this was a nice gesture, would 101 random weapons bought off equally random Florida Men all at least share the same ammo? A gun’s just an awkward club without proper ammo.
The ones in the picture are likely a mix of 5.56 and 7.62 firearms. Both Ukraine would have in abundance
Heaps of 7.62 here. Not so many 5.56 or 9mm, you have to import it, AK74 uses incompatible Soviet 5.45 caliber.
Assault rifles are welcome, anything is better than standard-issue AK74, which combines excess weight with poor accuracy and awkward handling. Even smaller guns are fine, SMGs are pretty much the same 200 meter effective range as AK while being shorter. As long as you can find ammo for them.
Please send some grenade launchers and RPGs, they are immediately useful.
Please send some grenade launchers and RPGs, they are immediately useful.
I wish I had some spares but I have to hold on to everything I’ve got, sorry.
(For the non-americans and ATF agents out there, the joke is that we can’t fucking get those. Don’t come kill my dog, my dog is a cat anyway.)
I’m surprised the Miami police don’t have a bunch of confiscated RPGs it would seem like they would.
Real issue is actually going to be a (lack of) full auto. Sincerely doubt anything in these pics is an MG. Even if Ukraine fabricates automatic components (drop-in-auto-sears do exist for ARs), the barrels aren’t going to hold up to automatic fire well.
They might be useful in a police/border guard/militia capacity, though?
Are the Ukrainian grunts really using full auto that much? Does trench warfare make it useful in a way that urban and mobile warfare doesn’t use? My understanding is that basically no one outside of designated machinegunners really use full auto.
Anyway, like you said, at the very least it’ll free up other weapons for the front lines.
Depends, looks like the rifles here are AK and AR style, so they probably take 7.62mm (which I imagine is pretty common in Eastern Europe) and 5.56/.223 (which the US military is probably supplying them by the bucket), respectively. That said, the hand guns are probably a mix of .22, 9mm, and .45 among other random less common calibers
AR-15’s are like the Honda Civic of guns, cheap and endlessly modifiable. That’s why.
Wait, Florida confiscates guns?
The handing out of guns makes sense, but taking away? Unheard of!
These guns apparently came from a buyback program. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/city-of-miami-to-send-guns-to-ukraine-city/2809291/
Glad they’re going to good use, but man do buybacks sting when you see cool shit being turned over to pigs.
