cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/13397700
Malicious KDE theme can wipe out all your data
Or is it just buggy?
On the Reddit thread people, at least one of them tagged as a KDE dev, mentions that widgets NEED to be able to run arbitrary code. I am absolutely baffled by this.
Aren’t widgets pieces of software? Of course they have to run code. But they need to be isolated, or at the very least not have sudo access.
Think of html+css, themes are supposed to be that kind of code who does nothing by itself.
Widgets aren’t themes. They’re things on your desktop that people are using for example for showing a folder - and if that can’t interact with the system, that widget’s functionality is broken.
Of course, that should not apply to install scripts or the like, which shouldn’t be a thing at all really. And it should be made a lot more obvious which downloadable things can execute code / which ones are “guaranteed” safe and which ones may not be.
I think the theme mentioned probably don’t have sudo access, just user access can do enough harm already.
I think rm command should refuse to remove overly-broad target (home, xdg dirs, media drives) without confirmation in the command line.
Ok, then a bad actor could enumerate all the subdirs and delete them one by one.
Even if going down this path would be a good solution, I don’t think this is rm’s job to do. This should be done by an antivirus a security suite. I think I have read that for the past few years the kernel now has a better API than inotify to get notified by file operations. I don’t remember it’s name, but I think it was even mentioned in the docs that security software is a use case of it
This is why you back up your data!
I use both Timeshift and Lucky Backup.
Timeshift is setup to back up the entire OS and user data and fire off a backup when updating (onto an internal drive).
Lucky Backup has been setup to do a one way sync of my user folders (doc’s, download, pictures, videos etc) onto an external drive.
Stupid question maybe, but would your backups even be safe? Sure, it was mentioned that you had to enter your sudo password, but let’s say you did that because you are careless, “rm -rf” would wipe all connected and mounted drives as well, so your backups would be gone, wouldn’t they? Or does Timeshift mount and unmount on demand? If so, what would happen if you ran “rm -rf” while a backup is being saved?! It seems to me that a simple “make backups” isn’t enough here.
I do not know much about Timeshift and Lucky backup. But a proper backup is not a on the same system even if it is a second drive internally. For some quick file recovery after deleting things you shouldn’t have it is fine. A proper backup should be a separate system and ideally 2 systems one externally but this is overkill for most folks. With a separate system you can setup automated backups and disaster recovery. if you are scared the backup system can get compromised from the main system. you can set things up in such a way that the backup works in pull mode and the main system being backed up has no access to the backup system.
Not everyone can have 2 computers for all kinds of reasons.
Everyone do you best. Prioritize your data and take stronger precautions for the most important.
It is a bug, and not only that, it is KDE6 related lmao. It’s the steam bug again!
I thought wayland was supposed to improve security. Were the past 18 years a lie?
Wayland isn’t a product. You’re gonna have to get your mind out of capitalism to understand the free software community.
This is different from the Wayland security model, as Wayland restricts the ability for clients to modify and read from other clients arbitrarily. This is an extension to a Wayland compositor, and as all extensions do, it contains code which runs on your system. Any code, unless sandboxed, can access your filesystem no matter if it’s run under Wayland, X11, or no windowing system at all for that matter.
Seems like a ~~blessing ~~ glaring kde bug, I mean how is it possible? Why a theme needs to be able to execute shell commands?
It’s really not uncommon for a lot of themes to package an installer script, in case they have multiple versions, or multiple colors bundled. Realistically, they should just each have their own store page, but it’s a colossal pain in the ass. The Catppuccin global theme, for example, has 16 color variants, 2 decoration variants each, and then also a version with no splash. The whitesur theme is similar.
I do agree though that if this is going to continue to exist, it should not have permissions it has today
