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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

For those who want to learn more about the possible origin of memes like this

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Is there anyone remaining who doesn’t know after the million posts about tankies?

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17 points

I knew the term, but not the origin or its original meaning, so yes.

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There is always somebody who doesn’t. Doesn’t hurt to leave information for people to learn who haven’t already

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I’m not making fun of people not knowing things, I’m pointing out that there are way too many posts about tankies, far beyond any “tankie problem” that lemmy is imagined to have.

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47 points

You don’t negotiate with a burglar who breaks in and steals your shit. You shoot them between the eyes.

Anyone who calls for a compromise is either Russian or a complete fucking idiot.

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32 points

You shoot people in the face for stealing? Sheesh.

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No, you shoot them because you have no way of knowing why they’re in your home or what they’ll do.

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6 points

Good luck with that. I would advise you to get a very good attorney and have a robust bank account.

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No, you lock yourself in a defensive position and call the police. Hunting baddies in your dark house is statistically more likely to result in you shooting your kid who tries to sneak out.

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Or you just die, because the home invader has the drop on you.

Its always cute to see people mind-palace how they would John Wick their way out of an armed conflict.

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Home invasions aren’t stealing, they’re a threat of violence and personal harm.

If you’re just looking to steal you do it when no one is home.

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It saddens me how much right-wing gun rhetoric has infiltrated the left.

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Which is why you’ve put a security door on your bedroom, right? A sane home defense strategy has nothing to do with protecting your stuff, and should focus on creating a defensive enclave.

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For stealing shit from a supermarket, or a bank, or something of that sort? Nah, fuck the corporations. For invading someone’s inner sanctum and defiling their most important space? Justified.

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0 points

If you say so.

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4 points

Right, the more accurate analogy would be someone breaking into your house, shooting your grandfather, raping your wife, and trying to take your children away as slaves. And also stealing your stuff.

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🤷‍♂️ I’m not about to send the message that people can come to my house and take my shit.

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Yeah but it should be conditional imo. If they’re armed or you have suspicion they could be armed, then kill them. Otherwise, maybe aim for the leg or shoulder?

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They valued stuff more than their lives yes. I’m not taking the chance they decide to come back or get violent.

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Actually YOU valued stuff more than THEIR lives. So close.

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23 points

The way Russia would negotiate a burglary:

I get to keep everything I stole, in exchange you won’t call the cops, and throw away your alarms and weapons. You will also promise, that you won’t be able to defend yourself the next time.

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2 points

Can’t it be both?

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800 years of russian state imperialism isnt enough to convince some people that the rest of Eastern Europe has truly had enough of one of their own imposing their big brother geopolitics on the rest of them. Every shitty empire has their MO, for russia, its always been a game of lies, deceit, and muddying the waters of truth. The guy in the middle is someone whos been drinking water from a poisoned well somewhere.

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Eastern Europe has truly had enough of one of their own imposing their big brother geopolitics on the rest of them.

Yeah! That’s the US’s job!

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10 points

“Hurr durr, It’s bad when the US do it but it’s fine if Russia does it”

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“Hurr durr, it’s unacceptable to us white liberals when everybody but the US does it."

Are you still here, white supremacist? Have you been priced out of the copium market, perhaps?

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32 points

Why does the compromise guy have a hammer and sickle on him? Is it because these countries were formally part of the USSR?

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There are online self-proclaimed leftists who simp for the totalitarian Soviet regime, and often for China as well. The slang term for them is ‘tankies’. Generally speaking, they’re the ones you see online spreading the “Ukraine has to compromise for Russia’s Legitimate Security Concerns!” The hammer-and-sickle is there to represent them.

It’s very bizarre, considering that most leftists I know, even the ones I butt heads with, recognize that Putin’s Russia is an imperialist and fascist state. But no one has ever accused tankies of being consistent.

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Don’t worry, some tankie will be along to correct you that Russia doesn’t meet the exact textbook definition of Fascism, so it is actually a utopia.

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My favorite incorrect definition for tankies is, they dont actually like communism, they just like tanks.

They like “dictatorships of the proletariat,” and if they think that is given to them by Daddy Big Boots, then theyll simp for him hard as they can.

Absolutely loving the pushback against their shit here on .world, it was getting bleak there for a minute…

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16 points

…in the most verbose way possible, with bonus points for referencing people out of context, cherrypicking their worst takes, or just deferring to lunatics in a ghish gallop too exhausting to be worth challenging.

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6 points

They have grocery stores with bread you know. Suck on that imperialist!

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1 point

“Fascism” is thrown around entirely too much as a term, when it’s just one variety of authoritarianism, which is the term we should be using

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Russia doesn’t qualify as a fascist state.

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12 points

He’s a communist from lemmygrad

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4 points

“communist”

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Today were can clearly see that, communism was always a red herring. Tankies during cold war and tankies today (that love to dress in American flags), were always about supporting of totalitarian regimes.

The hammer and sickle is to support USSR.

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36 points

Tankie is a special sort of communist. Doesn’t seem fair to paint all communists as tankies.

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Tankie is just facist wearing red instead of brown. Leave communism out of it.

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Seems pretty fair to me. Socialism and communism are inherently totalitarian.

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Nah communism is just naive people trying to enact collectivist policies wholesale not realising or not wanting to believe that such policies are incredibly open to subversion by authoritarian groups.

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collectivist policies

Why do you fine folks draw lines on political and skin pigmentation if it’s about collectivism?

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2 points

No, you’re talking about tankies

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I was talking about tankies, whose definition says those are communists that were also fine with using tanks on population by Soviets during the Hungarian revolution.

I’m trying to say those people weren’t as much in love with communism as with the love of the Soviets and this is much easier to see today since Russia isn’t communist.

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OP thinks the west should continue to send weapons to Ukraine until Russia pulls out of all former Ukrainian territory, and putin is deposed and sent to the hague, and Russia is balkanized.

Most communists want it to end as soon as possible, with the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine currently occupied by Russia remaining either independent or in Russia if they vote that way.

This is usually misconstrued as supporting Russia.

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Ah, so you were in favor of the initial peace plan proposed by Zelenskyy at the start of the invasion?

with the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining either independent or in Russia if they vote that way.

… and what about the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining part of Ukraine? Is that not an option? Does democracy only count if it benefits Russian interests?

This is usually misconstrued as supporting Russia.

No, it’s simply recognizing the Motte-And-Bailey style arguments put forth by red fash. It’s the same pattern as the alt-right.

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and what about the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining part of Ukraine?

This could be an option but what the cost? You all couch generals understand tha not only Russian ppl but Ukranians lifes are being destroyed?

Do you undeestand that your option is to the deaths and war crimes keep on going right? Retaken these territories is almost free for you but not for Ucranians.

Also, no Communist I know defends Putin, Russia is an imperialist scum as US, UK and France that are using Ukraine as their war table.

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You sound like a nazi supporter in 1939 supporting the annexation of the sudetenland. What do you mean the nazis should pull out of the formerly czech territories? I haven’t heard the russian government give any reason they should be there, that the nazis didn’t give.

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with the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine

Only if all the non-Russian speaking parts of Russia get to vote to leave Russia as well.

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“I find that I’m smarter than most people.”
“Whatever leads you to that conclusion?”
“I have a hammer and sickle wallpaper on my desktop! Also, those who are not me should learn to compromise. Because I won’t lift a goddamned finger to do such a thing myself, yuck. Also, bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe.”

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You have been promoted to moderator on lemmy.ml. Congratulations!

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“I find that I’m smarter than most people.”

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/610:_Sheeple

Tons of Ayn Rand energy radiating off this post.

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Whoosh?

Like, you’re just too dumb to understand the concept of someone speaking as if they’re someone else?

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