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@Zerush Too much hassle to change to metric

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But if isn’t.

  • start by putting metric units next to the SAE units in the labels
  • Eventually people get used to the units and then you phase out the use of them.

All science and most of the mechanical engineering is done in metric already. If you have a car made in the last 20 years ask the fasteners are already metric. So it really isn’t that hard…

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We already do that. Looking at a bottle of tea I drank earlier today and it says 16FL OZ (473mL) both units are labeled on most things.

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Ford still uses SAE bolts/screws for door panels, but not always.I only keep metric sockets and wrenches in my box, but have to keep a 1/4" socket just for the random Ford I have to work on.

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2 points

With that attitude it will be. Just because it’s a hassle does not mean it’s not worth doing.

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It’s easier for handling real things.

Try doing woodwork in feet and inches for a day. Try it in metric for a day. You’ll see what I mean.

It was crafted for the human-scale, whereas metric was worked out on paper by French philosophers.

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I am willing to bet that you are simply more used to the imperial system.

I am not convinced that it has any objective advantage over the metric system.

My foot is about 50% larger than my SO’s, but I can perfectly invision 30cm whenever I want or need to.

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Cooking too. Try baking a cake in the two.

Pounds-and-ounces is all like “two eights is sixteen”, “three threes is nine”. Nice and handy multiples is what it’s made on.

I’m about equally familiar with the two.

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Human scale? Not yours or mines, measures of the ffoot, thumbs and random desires of a dead British King in the far past. No problem in metrics, at least if I don’t build a hut in the wood with an axe, then maybe using parts of the body for measures are usefull. Not the first furniture I made, also working in metal. Also in mathematic and physic the metric system is way better (Even NASA now uses the metric system since 2 probes crashed on Marte due to calculation errors in the imperial system)

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Just wait for an American to tell you how it’s easier to use fractions with imperial. I’ve legit seen them say shit like 3/8 of an inch is easier to think about than 9.5mm.

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Quick off the top of your head, what’s a third of 9.5mm?

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4 points

Above having to add 3/8, 5/16 and 2/3 inch ¬¬

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I doubt it had much to do with kings, as they didn’t do handicrafts or have to measure things like grocers/traders do.

That image is really stupid, too much wrong with it to go thru.

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Are you telling us that you are actually making, say a box, by measuring it with your hands and feet? That’s barbaric! I’m guessing you actually use a tape measure like the rest of us.

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You and @Zerush both resorted to this fake idea that [not using the metric convention] = [measuring things with your body-parts]

Very weird lie. I’ll take it as an admission you’re out of sensible points.

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That is what you’re implying by saying that imperial is more intuitive. But if you’re measuring with normal measurement equipment that argument is moot. At that point using imperial is easier for you just because you’re used to it. When normal people have to use imperial for things, all intuition is out the door and it will be hell.

You’re failing to externalise your own experience from the situation. Maybe you should practice that a bit more.

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Dude, WTF are you talking about? When I was a machinist it was so much easier to deal with metric. 1 inch ~ 25 mm, from there it is just way easier to deal with measurements such as 27.5 mm instead of 1 5/64 inches and all of these inverse powers of 2. I was always jealous of the French machinist I worked with talking about how the only units you should ever have to work with is meters and millimeters. If you are concerned about “Human Scale” then intuitively a meter and a yard are close enough for estimates and you don’t have to deal with “wait, what is 5/8 + 3/16 + 1 7/64?”

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“wait, what is 5/8 + 3/16 + 1 7/64?”

Those are so easily commensurable! It’s 1 and 59/64 obv.

It’s set up to make this easy.

Let me ask: do you think people have usedit for hundreds of years for no reason?

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Those are so easily commensurable! It’s 1 and 59/64 obv.

I legit can’t tell if this is sarcasm.

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Let me also ask, do you think the rest of the world moved away from it for no reason?

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Let me ask you something in return: do you think you can’t use fractions with metric? If you prefer fractions, that’s fine, but you haven’t justified why it’s better to use a system of measurement based on vibes.

1/4" = 0.25" 1/4mm = 0.25mm

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Woodworking, sure. You have a piece of wood 2’ 5 5/8“ long that you need to cut into quarters. Can you calculate that in your head? Metric is SOOOO much easier.

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here’s how i did: 2’/4=6", 5 5/8"/4=1 13/32, so it’s 7 13/32"

smart to pick a prime numerator!

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Alternatively, the same measurement is 752.5mm / 4 = 188.1mm, to a practical number of significant figures. No convertions between feet and inches (or ridiculous fractions of inches), and only one calculation.

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Woodworker in US here, and I prefer metric. Also consider the thickness of plywood is actually in metric now - “3/4” is actually 18 mm but they have to market it as 23/32.

I’ve chosen to join the other 8 billion people on earth.

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I like imperial for big things. like you said it’s easier. For small things like 3d printing and such I prefer metric (basically anything with increments smaller than 1/16"). It just depends on what scale you need to work on.

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There are 8000 linguistic systems in use today, about 90 calendars, a few hundred legal systems, a few hundred monetary systems, but Redditors fume at the thought that Planet Earth uses >1 convention for weights and distances

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I’m basically forced to know the good way, and the American way.

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2 points

Yanks stop trying to claim things as your own.

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Really though, the most ardent defence of USC units is fuelled by great amounts of Copium. The US Customary set of measurements is several independent systems of measurements which often radically different origins and sometimes irrational conversions, all stacked upon each other and dressed in a trench coat. For instance, the mile has Roman origins while the inch and foot were defined separately, much later, and with a lot of regional variation. The French foot was longer than the English foot, which is why Napoleon was listed as 5’2" tall while he was actually closer to 5’9", or 1.71 m, which was pretty average for the time.

Which one of these is more straightforward to calculate:

  • You are tasked with installing a rail along a 1 mile long bridge. You know you can use two half inch bolts to affix it every three feet. How many bolts do you need?

  • You are tasked with installing a rail along a 1,5 km long bridge. You know you can use two M12 bolts to affix it every metre. How many bolts do you need?

Conversions within dimensions in USC require you to memorise arbitrary conversion numbers. Conversions within dimensions in SI require you to move the comma a few spots.

Besides, if the US Customary system of units is so great, why did most of the world voluntarily switch to SI units?

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Good example with the Bridge, it’s exact the point with the USC units, source of fatal errors.

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I don’t like the bridge example because the values were chosen (intentionally or not) conveniently for metric. Change it to every 4 feet or 1.3 metres and it’s no longer convenient in either system. There are better examples that demonstrate the superiority of metric.

For example, pool cleaner says 1 unit per 10,000 gal or 40,000 L.

21’ diameter, 3’ tall. So ~1000 ft³. Multiply by 1728/231 for gallons.

7 m diameter, 1 m tall. So ~40 m³. Multiply by 1000 for litres.

If you’re curious where 1728/231 comes from, there are 12³ (1728) in³ for a ft³. Then the gallon is defined as 231 in³

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