Jesus, again already?

111 points

We all fucking knew it!!!

That’s why these mother fuckers forced that agreement a month ago

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Honestly though, a bunch of other businesses and services started pulling that arbitration shit recently too.

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Really? Which ones? So I can keep away from their shit too

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20 points

Discord is another, goes into effect on the 15th

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Man I can’t remember off hand. I know LG has been doing that shit.

I got an email in the last week from either PayPal or Comcast with regards to arbitration. I threw it away.

Edit Found it, it was Hulu

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All signs point to Yes.

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TBF the report says this was done using credential stuffing, so it wasn’t really Roku’s fault.

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It wasn’t forced. You could opt out.

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By sending a physical mail to their office, if what I’ve heard on smashing security is correct.

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Not just physical mail. The letter had to have the serial numbers of all devices associated with your account.

Sure, let me go digging behind my TV with all of my free time so that I can give you information you already have, dicks.

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Correct. Are you unfamiliar with stamps and paper? Sure it’s dumb and unfair that they force such a thing, but it takes 10 mins instead of 10 seconds. They’re not requiring hand delivery.

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The agreement that was a pop-up you could only accept?

My dog answered that before I got a look at it. Is that legally binding?

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Sure that argument is fine and all, but you could also just mail them a letter.

Both approaches are moot because you and I don’t have the money or time to fight a huge enterprise or to bride lobby government officials.

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107 points

Remember that forced arbitration clause that was in the news last month?

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Guess I’ll pick this moment to remind people that this forced arbitration thing is a scare tactic and is not legally binding. You can still sue (assuming you have the funds or a lawyer willing to work pro bono).

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2 points

What’s that?

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At this point, why even consider getting a Roku?

Note, I rarely, if ever, use a TV anymore, so smart TVs have never appealed to me. But Roku seems to be very anti consumer (between the forced arbitration and their ad policy), so I don’t understand why someone looking to get a smart TV would actually want a Roku over an alternative.

Maybe I’m just poorly informed, but it just seems like almost anything else should be a better option?

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I have used Rokus for a while. I have a stick, and a TV that came with it installed.

Pros: It’s cheap, and it works. Their interface isn’t perfect, but it’s good enough. It’s supposed to serve ads, but thanks to my pihole it’s just a blank rectangle taking up part of the screen. The app is serviceable. My wife and I can simultaneously stream the audio to our phones, and both listen with headphones, which means we can enjoy a movie even when the kids are asleep.

When I chose the platform originally, the other options were Google, Amazon, and Apple, and at the time they were still fighting over licensing each app and proprietary software. I also had a KODI HTPC at the time, and it’s still running 15 years later as a Plex media server. The Roku had a faster response time and easier navigation. Roku has a Plex app so I can still stream all the movies I have.

Cons: The stick is showing its age, and the new terms of service are just scary enough to put me on notice that I might need a new streaming device

If they ever show an advertisement or a commercial before or over top of something I’m watching, that will be the day I switch. Today, I would probably go with an nvidia shield, or maybe even a game console since they all run streaming apps now. But any system has the potential for enshittification.

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7 points

You literally can’t buy a non-smart TV anymore

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14 points

You literally can. They are called signage TVs.

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Or just buying a regular TV and not connecting it to the internet. Signage TVs are specialized and will cost a lot more for a lot less.

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Are those signage tv have similar tech as normal tv? e.g. oled screen, low latency mode, etc?

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I bought a couple Sceptre TVs six years ago, been great.

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Those are LCDs at OLED prices. It’s almost double what an equivalent smart TV is.

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Those ar ehonestly not priced as bad as I thought for them not being able to sell your data.

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3 points

Interesting. My local retailers offer no such thing, but maybe I should start going out of my way to get a dumb one.

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2 points

I got the cheapest 4k 55 inchers. I paid like $300 for it. My only complaint was the speakers, but a sound bar fixed that for me.

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True, but you can (for now) buy a smart TV and never hook it up to the Internet/use the smart functions.

I have a little Linux micropc hanging off my “smart” LG TV - the TV is effectively a 52" monitor.

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IIRC I’ve read the Roku TVs at least can be set up in an offline mode. Some of the other brands I’ve heard get obnoxious when not allowed to connect.

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For the TVs where Roku/FireOS/others I’m forgetting are the primarily operating system, they subsidize the cost of the TV making it much cheaper compared to others, especially for the size. Of course, this lower price point comes at the cost of privacy and intrusion of advertising.

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feels like you can’t even exist anymore without all your data getting leaked by someone who aggressively must consume as much of it as possible.

Hulu you can say, “well at least I can pirate and avoid giving my info up.” But what can you do against things like when Equifax was hacked?

There needs to be real privacy reform and real data privacy laws in the USA. bullshit ass second-tier country

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Agreed the credit agency breaches are especially fucked since you don’t even have a say or not in participating.

Then they make you PAY to freeze your account. It’s fucking racket.

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I use VLC and an HDMI cable…fuck services from any company. They are all untrust worthy and don’t give a damn about you or their product provided you see ads and they sell your information.

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