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Who tf thought I’d ever want to edit a spreadsheet in a chat application anyway?

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If only that would be the worst. Someone over at M$ had the glorious idea to set up a different admin center for every fucking thing. Sometimes they interconnect, sometimes you can edit user in several admin centers, some things you can only edit in a particular one. You’re searching for specific settings over and over. And if that dumpster fire of bullshittery isn’t enough they randomly change the naming of everything or the position of menus without any apparent reason. So the knowledge you gained where certain settings goes to waste and you have to start all over again. Damn you Microsoft. If I’ll ever find out who’s responsible for that shit I’ll cut your head off and shit down your neck.

Edit: Just take a look at msportals.io to see how bad it has gotten. For my daily business I need several of M365 and Azure IT Admin portals. I hate it. I fucking hate it.

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If that’s not shit enough, they also keep renaming and completely overhauling those portals again and again.

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9 points

You forgot about the few random settings that can only be changed with powershell for some reason!

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6 points

Then they change how you use powershell

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3 points

The only admin portal I’ve encountered that is more circular used to be Duo. That seems to have improved since, but I used to spend 40m trying to find an essential section and looping through links without getting there.

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all that different from Discord? – people trying to use a proprietary chatroom for everything from support to wiki to knowledge base to documentation …

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52 points

I can hate two things at once. You act like it’s hard.

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3 points

Hating discord is so wonderfully easy to do, I could probably muster up the ability to do it as a way to compartmentalize my mind during intense torture by baddy mafia guys if I ever got caught on an undercover mission.

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Don’t get me started. Monthly scorecards that are mandated to be distributed via Teams, but you can’t embed files in that sheet, otherwise Teams shits the bed.

Also, who would ever want to adjust volume levels for individual speakers? Every huddle is fucking torture.

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9 points

Yet, I can’t point/draw on the screen somebody shares (at least on Mac)

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18 points

Or share only part of my screen. Very annoying since I only have a 5k2 ultrawide and a 4k in portrait. Regardless of which one I share, no one can read it. I have to switch the entire screen to some crappy low resolution so others can see what I’m doing.

Such a basic feature.

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3 points

On KDE Plasma there’s an effect to zoom in the whole screen on your cursor (it may be windows-plus and windows-minus or you may need to set it yourself). I believe Windows has something similar as well as an accessibility feature. I should think that would work when screensharing.

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Haha, funny. But I actually know the lead developer behind Teams.

It’s Microsoft Copilot.

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24 points

We should have killed Clippy in the 00s

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7 points

Clippy kept the real madness at bay. Without his presence we are lost.

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14 points

Makes sense

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81 points

I haaaate Teams. Worst thing ever to happen to workplace productivity. And (unless this has been fixed since I retired) chat history isn’t persistent past 6 months so you lose your proof of what was discussed, unlike email.

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59 points

unlike email.

Once worked a job in the financial sector, they enforced all Outlook clients to purge emails 3 months old AND disabled all of outlooks built-in archival tools…

Those bitches didn’t disable VBA though, so I built my own Outlook archival tool all in VBA complete with an sqlite DB and a UI. Ironically, it was more stable and less susceptible to corruption than outlooks own tools lolol

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47 points

That policy sounds like destruction of evidence before it’s legally considered to be evidence.

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27 points

Oh it for sure was, a year or 2 before I was hired they got hit with a regulation violation (not sure which anymore, I think it was Reg B) and then a few months after that this outlook policy conveniently came into effect to “minimize impact from a data breach” lmao

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36 points

To me, this is its biggest flaw. You can’t scroll back in chats very far, but you can search for lines further back. However in a truly spectacular display of uselessness, the search only returns the chat bubble you searched for, with no surrounding context.

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15 points

oh my god this drives me absolutely nuts when I’m looking for help I received months ago and distinctly remember enough to put into a search bar but can’t go back to the actual conversation… even though it is clearly saved somewhere since it still comes up in search!!!

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From my experience, discord might have one of the best chat searches out there. It’s stupid fast and you can search metadata like time, sender, attachments, etc.

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12 points

The chat history is the big one for me. It’s not even that it’s not persistent; I’d be fine if it just purged all messages after a set period. The problem is that it seems to selectively purge some messages but keep others. Makes me feel like I’m crazy when I go back and try to find something that I know I sent a while ago, but there’s just a gap.

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8 points

That’s probably some kind of data policies that your company has put in place. Default teams chat history is forever.

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11 points

unlike email

Yeah, that’s unfortunately a thing, too. It’s the one size fits all solution to data protection and security. Made by people who like to make their own life easier, no matter the cost to everyone else. The GDPR does not allow us to store personal data indefinitely without reason, so let’s automatically delete every email without exception, no matter if it is still for an ongoing project or not.

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11 points

Chat history is forever by default and has been for years so far as I know, anything else is a company policy. People don’t appreciate how much control their company has over the experience.

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0 points

It wasn’t made for you.

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62 points

I once worked for an organization that maintained a 10+ year old single excel file with no discernable backups for regulatory data.

The bar is low.

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I once got called in to diagnose why it took 5 minutes to open up a single Excel file. The PC itself was a little dated and underpowered, but the file size was huuuge…like hundreds of MB.

It finally opened. There was ugly table-formatting…to the entire spreadsheet. Colored cell borders, alternating background fill, text and font formatting applied to every single cell; columns A-IV and rows 1-65,536. I pointed that out and said the only way to fix is start a new one and not apply the formatting, or to try and remove it from all the cells. She outright refused because she liked the way it was. So I left, and she went back to looking at pictures of her cats

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You should’ve just downloaded some more RAM for her.

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2 points

People do silly things. We have a department at work which pulls data from our ERP system to excel. They’re pulling 10’s of thousands of rows to return only a few bits of detail like product descriptions for a handful of items. I’ve offered to help them but they really don’t want help. They seem to be happy with this monster.

There’s another department which runs reports from our BI system, exports it to Excel, adds some calculations, then builds reports from that. They literally just need to ask the BI analyst to build them a report to their requirements.

I’m convinced people like screwing around in excel because it gives them something creative to do in an otherwise bland job.

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16 points

They probably had an advanced distributed snapshot backup system. Where any and all employees that used the file in the last 10 years had a version of it saved from a point in time–potentially even on their personal machines or as email attachments to their personal emails.

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10 points

Close. Each employee had a tab.

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12 points

I had a client as of a couple of years ago with a custom fronted software build on top of an access mdb database running on windows 98 continuously since 2000. They had been backing it up onto a 18 year old 1GB flash drive every night for years. Their interest was exactly zero in upgrading to anything newer.

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I got called to a 12 year old server with a failed HDD once. They said no problem we have a daily backup. Just put in a new drive and restore from tape.
The tape wouldn’t read. I took it out of the drive and noticed some brown specs and dust falling out. The tape was clear, like scotch tape. They backed up daily to the same tape for over 10 years without verification. The remnants of the magnetic layer was scattered inside the drive. That client became pretty sad pretty fast.

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I don’t even know man. I used to click a teams link and teams would pop up. Now a splash screen for “new” teams comes up and none of my programmable mouse shortcuts work and it seems like sometimes it launches through a browser, other times it doesn’t. I have personal and two work accounts which makes things complex too.

Edit; oh, and if I click on teams icon it says do you want to use “new teams” or “classic teams”? If I click on classic a brief screen pops up and in small print it says classic teams died in March of 2023 - Rip. Then the whole app just shuts down. It feels very amateur.

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25 points

I genuinely would love an opportunity to scream at the people who decided to release new versions of teams and outlook.

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I have yet to find anything at all better about “new” Outlook. The fact that I can’t scroll through my calendar anymore is maddening.

May they step on a Lego barefooted in the middle of the night.

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The “new” version isn’t even a native app… It’s just the web version. It’s missing a whole heap of features from regular Outlook, like support for native add-ins. It doesn’t feel like a native app; the UI doesn’t follow the design standards of any desktop OS.

Also, if you want to use it with an IMAP or POP email server, you have to connect it to Microsoft’s cloud, and they store a copy of your email! https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/imap-without-microsoft-cloud-in-new-outlook/0e17ab6b-48f2-42dc-9e61-f219f7521289

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I have yet to find anything at all better about “new” Outlook.

My favorite part is how they removed useful functions that worked perfectly well on the old version.

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3 points

They are now cloud based so that it is easier for Microsoft to train AI models.

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1 point

Both of them are the same thing but require edge to be installed

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Apparently the prompt for asking is triggered because the “new” version is a different executable than the shortcut you’re using is pointing to. So you could fix that by creating a new shortcut.

Another fix would be to get rid of Teams, but when you’re on a corporate license there’s not much we can do about that

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The new executable is “ms-teams.exe”, with a hyphen

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You can uninstall new teams and old teams still works fine

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2 points

for now

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2 points

When it breaks I will run teams web over Firefox

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god you’d think these fly by night open source hippies would commit to their ideals a little more, you know? the only real option is paid software maintained by full time employees who get fucking paychecks. nothing else is ever gonna work outside of your weird Foss imagination land. ‘Microsoft’ was a cute dream, but it just isnt sustainable.

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