It’s genocide dickhead. Can’t believe I still have to vote for this mother fucker.
I appreciate you still voting though, mate. The alternative is far worse and that’s terrifying that our alternative to supporting a literal genocide is even worse.
It’s also not just voting against Trump.
Biden on climate is an A student. The inflation reduction act, according to basically every climate wonk, gives us a real chance at achieving necessary goals both under its regime and thanks to further future legislation it certainly unlocks. Things are looking less bad right now than they have for a long time in spite of all the worsening indicators. And it’s written with intense virtuous cycles built-in that will make it VERY sticky policy once it builds up a couple of years worth of inertia. The fact that he got it past an overtly hostile senate that had at least 51 anti-science, anti-climate, fossil fuel shills turning up to vote is nothing short of a policy miracle.
Trump, on the other hand, has vowed to reverse everything that could still be reversed about the IRA (a frustratingly large amount, unfortunately, could still be undone by executive fiat thanks to its still-developing political base). He’s vowed to double down on every kind of fossil fuel subsidy. He’s vowed to restore coal power even though it’s horrible for everyone involved and the most expensive kind of energy production. He’s vowed to fight windmills just because he doesn’t like their aesthetics – literal quixotic shit.
I won’t defend Biden on Israel for even one millisecond. His position is heinous. It’s evil. And if he loses in November, it will almost certainly be the reason why and he’ll deserve it. But it will probably also spell actual global war and apocalypse fueled by climate within all of our lifetimes. It may sound dramatic, but a Trump win will bring us from feast to famine and may spell the actual end of our civilization.
Lol, Biden is not an A student for climate.
Regardless of who’s in charge, we are still on track for environmental disaster unless we completely get rid of infinite growth capitalism. Joe Biden sure as heck isn’t going to do that.
I’m sick and tired of moderates thinking that our planet being uninhabitable is some sort of worthy compromise for the ownership class.
Why not vote for him, then protest for his removal after Trump is imprisoned?
It is a war and an urban warfare with civilian to combatant death ratio less than 2:1, while according to civiliansinconflict.org, typical ratio is more like 10:1.
You might want to argue it is an unjustified war, but genocide it is not.
You might want to make up definitions for genocide but in 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.
Then technically, ALL wars are genocide.
EDIT: so many downvotes, so little arguments against it. Predictable as it gets.
Yes the intent matters. Israel intent is to destroy Hamas. That’s not genocide.
genocide it is not.
It wasn’t really in question when this was published back in October. It was genocide then and it continues to be genocide.
“The UN Genocide Convention lists five acts that fall under its definition. Israel is currently perpetrating three of these in Gaza: “1. Killing members of the group. 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.””
These are act of genocide. True, but the intent matters too (and I am sure it is described in the document you are linking to). And destruction of Hamas is not the intent compatible with genocide. If Israel wants to destroy citizens of Gaza as a group, then it is doing really shitty job, since somehow the civilian to military ratio is well below expectations for urban warfare.
- Killing members of the group. 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
Which are also what Hamas perpetrated on 10/7.
Like if you squint at the numbers hard enough you cannot see starving children or murdered aid workers? Maybe that’s why I keep hearing about how they’re killing journalists.
Not sure where you’re getting those figures since the people keeping track of deaths were killed months ago.
Fucking ghoul
There are Hamas estimates of total death (~35,000). UN estimates are just Hamas estimates. There are Israel estimates ~30,000. Hamas estimates are for all deaths (including from natural causes and including due to Hamas rockets falling in Palestine). So the numbers are quite similar. I have seen different estimates how many Hamas militants were killed. The smallest is ~13K. If we take the largest number for total population killed (35K) then it is 22K civilians and 13K militants, with the ratio less than 2:1.
Biden’s worst enemy is not Trump, it is Biden himself.
Dinosaur candidate number 1 is a shit bag old fart that pretends to care about humanity
Dinosaur candidate number 2 is a nazi shit bag that shows how much he doesn’t care about humanity and rubs it in our faces
Choose wisely… or don’t, whatever 🤷
I’m gonna vote for this absolute braindead motherfucker and it fucking sucks.
“They’re really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden…”
-Bo Burnham
You know Joe has a point when the only thing he and his administration is able to come up with in response to the allegations is “it’s not genocide”.
According to the United Nations, genocide is an internationally recognized crime that involves an act with the intent to destroy a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group, in whole or in part. These acts include:
- Killing members of the group
- Causing serious mental or physical harm to members of the group
- Deliberately inflicting conditions of life on the group that would cause physical destruction
- Imposing measures to prevent births within the group
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
This doesn’t even include the genocidal rhetoric coming from Knesset members.
It’s pretty clear the administration is on its back foot because no one believes Israel or the U.S. Hell, the majority of his base doesn’t agree with him.
This is pretty telling:
One thing these figures show is that Republican voters are far more strongly pro-Israel and defensive of its actions in Gaza than Democrats.
That’s how it is. You wouldn’t think so the way some members of the left attack other members of the left on Lemmy, but it’s always been mostly Republican support.
Republicans refused to sign the aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. They then tried to create a standalone bill for Israel, but Biden said he’d veto it. They only came around to signing it after the Iran retaliation.
When Biden paused shipment of arms in order to conduct a State Department investigation of Israel’s acts, House Republicans drafted legislation in an attempt to force the President’s hand to release the shipment.
Republicans have been the primary antagonists in the Israel-Iran proxy war since it started under Reagan. It’s about money and power, nothing else.
It’s also worth noting that 79% of Jewish-Americans are Democrats.
People who follow polling have been saying this since December.
Liberals on Lemmy like to live in a self-deluded bubble where their blind support for Biden means he stands a chance in November. The fact is he basically can’t win with his stance on Gaza. He’s not exactly doing great in other regards, but he literally can’t win if he doesn’t about face.
If he can’t win with the policy position, and he won’t change the policy position, your only option as a voter is to take your vote elsewhere. Democrats lose the election if they stick with Biden.
Its not too late. We haven’t had a convention. Everything can still change. Larger mountains have been moved. If enough likely-Democratic voters show they won’t vote for Biden with this position, we can move him, but you have to voice your position now while there is still time for him to pivot.
Likewise, going into the convention, if Biden was smart and cared about the future of our democracy, he could assign his delegates to another candidate. This would allow Biden to bear the burden of the Israeli genocide as being enabled through his foreign policy, allowing the rest of the Democrats to pivot to a policy position that actually sets them up to win in November.
Here is an article from January that explains it:
It wouldn’t be that different if he suddenly croaked (which is a real possibility for an octogenarian.). Effectively the delegates would go to the convention unpledged, and the decision gets made at the convention.
Smartest move politically would be for Biden to step down now and designate a successor. Its what he should have done instead of running again, but by continuing to run a non-viable candidate, Democrats are giving blue ocean for Trump to win.
Its not gonna happen. Its going to be Hillary Pt 2, and within a month we’ll be hiding minorities in our basements from the democracy officers. They’re gonna run Biden.
The thing that doesn’t make sense is protesting Biden’s support for Israel by voting for Trump, given that he and the Republicans would be even more enthusiastic for Israel’s actions. But even people not voting leaves the Democrats with a problem, since Republicans will vote no matter what.
