Sometimes I wonder about this. No matter how luxurious your bunker is, living there is still going to be a downgrade compared to how we live now.
Why not give a fuck about saving the environment? Not for unwashed masses, but for your kids and grandkids?
Lots of people (awful people) have kids for their own ego rather than because they want to raise happy and healthy offspring. They don’t care about the world their children will grow up in.
It’s because of the prisoner’s dilemma. It is broadly agreed that everyone would be better off if everyone curbs their emissions, but for any one individual the choice is not so simple. For infividuals, a large reduction to their impact will likely hurt them economically more than it will help them environmentally. This is exactly why a lot of green legislation is driven by global agreements with countries all trying to put pressure on each other to reduce emissions.
Likewise, increasing government investment in green technologies could benefit the economy and the environment, but for any given politician the cost of turning against big oil may be a significant risk to their chances of re-election if not balanced out by a politically motivated and educated populace that is resistant to corporate propaganda. Campaign finance reform would help with this, but once again it’s a bigger risk than it’s worth to the politicians in power. Thus, we can’t simply rely on the self-interest of the wealthy to prevent collapse; we must co-operate and coordinate our efforts to solve the problem.
Psychopathy is a spectrum. It undermines your values, makes you indifferent to normative and empirical reality, and robs you of all compunction, until the only salient feature of life is your own ego.
Many of those you find confusing fall somewhere on that spectrum. It’s a grim diagnosis, but you can use morally obvious cases to determine how bad things are. Opinions on abortion are a litmus test, as are attitudes towards obviously cruel and unvirtuous people, such as Donald Trump and various other celebrities.
Do you really think opinions on abortion are a litmus test? You can spin either camp as the psychopathic one, after all. I’m on Team Babykill but I don’t think everybody against abortion is a psychopath, it’s closer to a philosophical issue.
Yes, actually, I do.
There’s an academic survey that goes out every few years, and there’s more consensus among philosophers that abortion is permissible than about literally anything else. There’s less agreement that the external world exists.
Being against abortion requires one or more of these assumptions:
- That zygotes are actual people.
- That these zygote people have rights over your body overriding any of your own needs.
- That sex is blameworthy and constitutes some sort of implied consent regarding pregnancy.
Any one of these assumptions is, frankly, insane.
Really interesting view here, thank you.
Looking at the groups of people that are so hard for me to understand (MAGA, KKK, flat-earthers, etc.) because of how ridiculous their worldviews are, as some sort of psychopathic mental illness on a scale from sort of psychopathic, to full-blown psychopath makes alot of weird sense. Kind of disturbing and comforting to me at the same time.
That is not how this works at all. There isn’t an actual medical diagnosis called psychopath. The closest we have is ASPD. I am fairly sure people with ASPD don’t have as much difficulty with empirical reality as you are talking about. Delusions are more of a psychosis thing.
I also don’t think it’s fair to judge someone on an issue like abortion when entire religions shove the idea that abortion is wrong down your throat even when being a child. The indoctrination is strong. Stop blaming the victims here.
Psychopathy is detectable on an MRI and involves morphological abnormalities in some specific regions. Like all neuropathologies, psychopathy falls on a spectrum.
A Systematic Literature Review of Neuroimaging of Psychopathic Traits.
Your implication about religiosity is that it can influence moral attitudes. But notice that many religious persons are immune to indoctrination regarding abortion, child genital mutilation, and the like, recognizing these issues as morally obvious. Why? Probably because they have the mental means to do so.
Here’s an actual in-depth answer in the form of a philosophical essay article about the Greek concept of “amathia”, roughly translated as “willfull ignorance.”
https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/one-crucial-word/
Take some time here on Lemmy and explain to people that they should make individual efforts to lower their own footprint. You’ll be met with every excuse in the book why they won’t do something to decrease their own burden, even going so far as to “explain” to you how dumb the suggestion even is.
The problem is that no one wants to decrease their own quality of life, they expect everyone else to do it. The person who is sitting in their AC house, cruising the Internet on their multi-hundred dollar phone, after driving around in their own vehicle…have convinced themselves that they are no the wealthy of the year spewing out way more emissions…it’s really the people flying private jets!
Everyone points to someone else as a bigger culprit, they are the ones who have to act first.
That kid is going to be extra grateful when his dad explains how much money he helped make the shareholders.
This is such an asshole take.
99.99 percent of people are just doing what they can.
Just about everything and everyone works for, with, or adjacent to a heinous company.
Everything is immoral, including your comment since you used a computer (which was unethically developed and manufactured, and since critical advancements in computing were sometimes made by bad people, it’s now impossible to create a truly harm free computer. This software (lemmy) is connected in some way to bad people, either its users, contributors, or the contributors to dependencies ( or the contributors to their dependencies, and so on).
Waxing on about how joe blow worked an office job that made someone rich so he could save 50 grand for his kid and how that makes him a bad person is just needlessly cruel.
More importantly it’s just not really true.
Money will always be a part of human culture because we need some kind of default monetary value that says you’ve contributed to the betterment of your fellow man in some way.
This won’t go away when we have cold fusion and a Dyson sphere lol.
Despite this, the vast majority of these people are typing from well off countries in areas that won’t be affected by the severe parts of climate change.
You know who mostly gets boned from climate change? Like, the literal worst climate change or severe nuclear winter. It’s not most Europeans, Americans, or Chinese I’ll tell you that lol.
Doomers are suckers who have eaten up propaganda meant to make the world worse through apathy and inaction. It’s worsened when they know they’re addicted to the internet but it’s easier to not care about their future and pretend everything is against them rather than try to better their and everyone’s lives somehow. It’s the bane of the mentally unwell, lazy, easily swayed, and non-curious.
Get ready for the Green washing comments lol.
https://concernusa.org/news/countries-most-affected-by-climate-change/
https://www.vox.com/22620706/climate-change-ipcc-report-2021-ssp-scenario-future-warming
Money will always be a part of human culture because we need some kind of default monetary value that says you’ve contributed to the betterment of your fellow man in some way.
I think this is just lacking in imagination. Why does everyone even need to contribute? If we survive along with our technology, we’ll eventually hit full automation for most tasks.
In a world like that, isn’t it enough to just live and be appreciated by someone? Why go around measuring contributions when only the very best and brightest could meaningfully contribute beyond sharing in the experience?
It’s funny cause no he didn’t
That’s dark. I feel sad now, also very glad I don’t have, or want, children.
If we want humanity to have any kind of future then we need more children not raised by cunts.
Yes, but if everyone gives up then there’ll be no-one in 100 years, and if decent folk give up then it’ll only be cunts in 100 years. I would like a future of non-cunty people.
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