President Joe Biden is taking fresh steps to help keep gas prices from climbing. For Republicans to see this as “disgusting” and “disgraceful” is bizarre.
I actually just want permanently higher gas prices like in Europe to facilitate the move to EVs. The US needs to break the addiction to oil.
A lot of people will be even poorer increasing the price of gas in Europe, most working class people cant switch to an EV just because,my family (myself included, but now i live in a big city where i dont need a car anymore) purchase usually 15+ year old cars, and there is no decent public transportation in that zone. I know you just want easy upvotes saying stupid things like that, but really, viewpoints like that are harmful towards the working class, if you want to facilitate the move towards EVs what you need is cheaper EVs, and tbh, fuck that bullshit and instead push toward better public transportation in rural areas instead of keeping the push in personal vehicles that are as wasteful.
viewpoints like that are harmful towards the working class
News flash: The working class in most of Europe is doing much better than the working class in the US. And that’s with much higher gas prices and higher taxes.
They also drive more EVs and have a heck of a lot higher quality public transportation.
Hm so if the median working class as a whole in the EU is doing better than the working class of the USA its okay the fuck the working class of the rural zones in spain which as i said lack public transportation or access to expensive EVs? Lmao.
Definitely agree. But there are a lot people in the US who have been conditioned to whine about “communist public transportation” every time it’s brought up, so it never really happens. EVs are a good middle ground to get many of these people onboard with more environmentally friendly transportation.
That is an inverse progressive tax. The lower income you are, the higher % of your income you pay.
It’s essentially a tax on the poor trying to subsidize renewables. If the US had viable alternatives, maybe I’d support this. I don’t think the poor need more taxes right now, though.
Trust me marginally reducing the gasoline burned by the working class commuting to work will not make a difference. It’s political theater masquerading as activism.
Go after the largest items. Build solar, wind farms, nuclear power. Once we have 90% of the power in this country being generated without carbon emissions then maybe we can talk about the pennies worth from gasoline.
Because right now 40% is natural gas and 20% is coal. Think of all the A/C units in the whole country, all of the Google data servers beeping and whirring, and every single Tesla supercharger station and behind them is a giant plume of black smoke sinking up to the atmosphere.
We are being devastated by the higher gas prices. People don’t have the money nor the infrastructure is given to move to EV. Even if one does have money for EV, charging stations are extremely rare and you WILL find yourself stranded if you attempt any long drive unless you have a “old” combustion engine car or an hybrid both affected by the higher prices.
You don’t want higher prices on gas with 0 attempt to actually make EV viable, trust me.
The “extreme” rarity you claim for charging stations is a myth, possibly propagated by the petrol industry. Plugshare offers accurate information regarding the location of charging stations (https://www.plugshare.com/). And the cool thing about that is there are both commercial and home/ office stations, with more coming online all the time. It’s kinda good that EM bobbled the supercharger thing, so it encourages more groups to start providing chargers. The great thing about Plugshare and ABRP (abetterrouteplanner.com/) is that it makes it very easy to see and plan for your next charge. Tho’ I do agree that the way to go is make the E-charging cheaper, not to make the petrol more expensive, yet.
Thanks for showing me where I live there is a singular small gas station within multiple kilometers with a couple EV charging stations 😂 I only find many if I go to a bigger city. In fact I do see them when I go to the city, and always empty.
E-charging is even more expensive then petrol here, so even hybrids that can charge people that own then never do so as going with just petrol is so much cheaper for how it lasts on the road.
Hm, there’s no public charging within 100 miles of me. But there is within what I assume is max range at Montana winter temperatures (~150 miles?) .
Thank you for posting this. I’m absolutely not in the position to buy a new car right now. But, it doesn’t seem like traveling across the state would be very difficult if I did purchase an EV. (I have to drive up to five hours one way for certain medical care)
I’m way more worried about where the energy is coming from and what the true cost of storage is, rather than where I get it from. Every conversion/storage has an energy and materials cost. As bad as petrol burning is, I have to imagine coal burning + transfer loss has to be about as bad. Not to mention the nature of lithium cells.
We don’t need more charging stations to make EV viable, we need more nuclear power plants and cleaner battery tech first.
What you are saying is that you should invest in infrastructure for electric cars instead of subsidising the oil industry again?
Even if one does have money for EV, charging stations are extremely rare and you WILL find yourself stranded if you attempt any long drive unless you have a “old” combustion engine car or an hybrid both affected by the higher prices.
Bullshit. My wife and I did a two week road trip up/down 2/3 of the east coast in our Tesla last year, and not once did we have a problem charging. Half the hotels we stayed in had level 2 chargers that didn’t cost us anything to use, and Teslas SuperCharger network was perfectly reliable. We also found more than one parking garage with free chargers while parked.
Now that NACS has been adopted as the open SAE J3400 standard and most EV manufacturers have announced support for it, the rollout of more third party fast chargers should start ramping up soon. And with Tesla open up Superchargers to other EVs it’s getting easier and easier to charge.
Your EV experience was significantly different from mine.
I recently did a 5 day trip from London to Scotland in a non-Tesla ev and we frequently had trouble with charging. Finding charging stations that worked was a challenge, they were often offline or just wouldn’t charge our car for some reason, or were the slowest chargers that took hours.
We were pretty caution with our range so it usually wasn’t a problem to find another one within 20 minutes or so, but it was definitely a little stress inducing and was pretty painful overall.
A bonus is that we stayed a little longer in places we wouldn’t have while the car charged and saw some neat things.
Desperately hanging on to old things is not a long term solution. Petition your government to facilitate a decrease on the reliance of oil, not to help you keep it the same.
The tech is not there though. Most of the USA is rural. It needs to be heavily adopted in the large cities first before trying a one size fits all and rip off the bandaid approach.
Desperately hanging on old things is what has been done in my country, Italy, for decades. Most of the population is conservative.
Not that our money even allow moving on. Most cars I see on the road are 15+ years old.
And on the other side of the same coin you have suburbanites driving 2 ton vehicles that drive 20 miles to the gallon.
So higher gas prices will primarily require a lot of people to abandon the “who cares about mileage” mindset and start driving actually normal vehicles.
Also plenty of EVs have 300+ mile ranges and that will suffice for 95% of travel in the US too. Insert proper plug in hybrids in the mix that do 50 miles electric and probably range anxiety is something of the past.
Remaining on the teet of big oil means big oil will keep sucking up corporate welfare while devastating our planet.
Also public transport needs to improve. Dedicated buslanes to bypass traffic jams in big cities means that each bus takes dozens of cars off the road.
Not much can be done if what most people can afford is a 15+ years old used car.
Also what I’ve seen from dedicated bus lanes in my city is them just being used by cars and bikes as overtake lane or as a sidewalk extention from pedestrians. Also trains need to be much more than once an hour or worse.
The infrastructure is much better in the US than you’re suggesting. I’ve taken numerous long road trips in my EV (and it’s not a Tesla, so not using the supercharger network) and I’ve never once been stranded or even had to wait longer than a 10-15 minutes before I’m able to plug in and charge on the rare time the chargers are busy, and I’m talking 2000+ mile trips. Could it be better? Absolutely. But it’s nowhere near as bad as you are trying to make it.
You are assuming I live in the US. i am not, I am in Italy and this comment thread was about European infrastructures
I guarantee most of the complainers drive around dumbass pickup trucks as their everyday vehicle, filling up at $250 every 2 weeks. I have problems feeling sorry for them.
LoL, our power company has a ‘pilot program’ for EV charging overnight, the price drops to $0.03/kW as a way of encouraging off peak charging. A decent sized EV battery has 77kWh. 77x 0.03 = $2.10 for a full charge. Just sayin’.
“How does this dying old man keep outsmarting us?”
-Republicans, constantly
I’m not US, don’t have the context, so how is lowering gas prices in face of climate crysis a smart move?
For better or worse, our economy still runs on fossil fuels, and people have real lives and families to take care of. There has to be a balance between battling climate change and being able to provide for families and keep the economy going. The problem is that everyone has a difference of opinion on where that balance is, and the harder it is for people to put food on the table, the less likely they are to support climate change efforts. Also, the harder it is to put food on the table, the more likely voters are to vote out whoever is in office.
Biden right now is trying to keep prices in a range that voters are at least willing to accept. Republicans aren’t against it because they suddenly care about the climate change crisis. They’re against it because any perceived “win” Biden gets lowers the chances of Trump returning to power and basically taking a shit all over efforts to fight climate change.
Republican energy policy is to let oil barons do whatever they want, destroy whatever they want for new drilling and pay as little taxes as possible.
Democrat energy strategy is to regulate oil, preserve delicate ecosystems by banning oil/gas exploration wells and fracking in those areas and investing in expanded green energy policy.
The political problem for Dems is that ballooning prices at the gas pump are very unpopular with moderate/undecided voters (reality is that almost everyone in this country has to fill up their car tank regularly) and the oil barons can manipulate their output, control the messaging and change these people’s votes (especially in an election year).
Dumping some of our strategic reserves when prices get too high is a strategy that counters this machination.
And if the world supply is in a high producing state, dumping some of these reserves can sink prices low enough we can refill those reserves for cheaper than we initially bought the reserves that we dumped.
Republicans then get on the horn and claim this is risky, helps nobody but democrat politics, etc, etc. They’re not wrong, but the entire thing is political brinkmanship, so… who cares? 😄
Trump outsmarts no one. He bullies and bluffs because thats all his handlers know to do. Biden has a slightly less confrontational crew on his ship
I think there’s a valid argument to be made that the cheeto did “outsmart” the gop, for certain values of smart. He tapped into the country’s desire for overt racism under a strongman fascist figure in a way no one else was recognizing in 2016, and as a result he made every single GOPer bend the knee to him, even his most vocal critics.
Sure, that could only happen to a party with no policy and zero principles, but he did it. He became the chief pile of shit on his throne overlooking his subjects made of watery diarrhea.
“I did that” sticker people in shambles
Republicans are outraged at anything Biden does. This isn’t new.
Yeah it started back in 2008 with Obama winning. GOP does nothing but oppose anything “libs” do.
Man, I remember when the “Tea Party” (what became the Freedom Caucus, then MAGA) was laughed out of the room by the vast majority of people, and Sarah Palin, who, it is rumored, can still see Russia from her house in Alaska, was not idolized but ridiculed to the point where movies like “Iron Sky” spoofed her with clueless villain characters. Good times.
It’s like when they refused to pass their own immigration bill because they’d rather campaign on the issue than fix the problem.
