We pasteurized milk for a reason, raw milk was a cause of a lot of issues.
There’s not much of a reason to drink milk nowadays anyway. Oat milk has become so good in emulating the taste of cow milk that there’s just no point in going for the original product with all its massive downsides.
Please give me recommendations of oat milk that tastes good. I’ve been desperately looking and/or hoping for bacterial production to kick off to make it more environmentally sustainable, but I haven’t found anything that tastes remotely as good (on its own or in a latte). I drink ultrafiltered milk for what it’s worth, usually 2% so I don’t need the creamy aspect, I just like the flavor.
For me, Planet Oat’s milk is pretty good, but their “Barista Lovers” version is the most like regular milk to me. It’s really white and acts the most like regular milk. This should just be the default milk they make, to be honest. It’s somewhat hard to find, unfortunately, but they have a map at their site that can help.
I don’t know what is available where you’re living. I buy the Vemondo No Milk from my local Lidl. The name comes from the fact that we cannot legally call those milk alternatives “milk”, so a lot of brands now go with “no milk” or “not milk” instead of “oat drink”. lol
They have a Barista oat milk too but I found that one to be not that great, so I can at least encourage you to try different companies & product lines even within the same company.
The main reason to drink milk is not taste. It’s the perfect mix of macros for growing kids. Plant based drinks cannot come close to real milk for nutrition.
I have yet to find a milk substitute that pours the same way, specifically over cereal, but even into a glass. Dairy milk holds itself together fairly well, but non-dairy milk tends to splatter all over the place.
It’s a minor inconvenience that in no way counters said downsides of dairy milk, but it’s a frequent reminder that it’s not the same.
Real milk contains emulsified lipids. It’s the reason for its unbeatable texture.
Shake a jug of oak milk and nothing changes. Shake a jug of whole dairy milk and eventually you’ll have butter.
Pour a tablespoon of vinegar into oat milk and it tastes bad. Pour a tablespoon of vinegar into whole dairy milk and you’ll be straining ricotta cheese out of it in no time.
Dairy is superior. There’s some strong competition out there, but all the plant milks just wish they were dairy.
Only if your tastebuds have failed completely. You probably smoke or have killed your sense of taste by other means if you believe that.
Oat milk tastes better than cow milk and I’ll die on this hill. The only reason I don’t drink it regularly is because it’s so much more expensive than the subsidized option
Well TBF outbreaks of AIDs causing viruses probably wasn’t high on the list in 1386 but I agree with your sentiment.
AIDS-causing viruses? H5N1 is influenza… Have I missed some kind of news that we can get AIDS from the flu now??
Bird Flu is not just regular stomach flu. Avian Influenza is a threat on a larger scale, but I guess I might have been misinformed on the connection to auto-immune disease as the two are often presented as a singular issue when brought to attention (an immune compromised individual will very likely die from H5 infection).
It was also drank for thousands and thousands of years, not the most dangerous thing around.
But we don’t have to take those minor risks in this day and age.
For thousands of years we shit and drank from the same rivers. That wasn’t the most dangerous thing around either, but I’m kinda glad we stopped that too.
Of course, we’re better off today no doubt.
But let’s not act like this is ridiculously dangerous for humans to engage in.
“Minor risks” being whole families dying or key family members getting poisoned as we transitioned to a society where most folks don’t own their own cow/source of milk.
It’s dangerous to assume all those years of use were a utopia. We used leaded gas for how long and are only just now getting to understand the ramifications?
By your mindset poisoning a future generation with lead is a “minor risk” we dealt with back then…
If that bro above you knew anything about drinks historically he’d know the most popular drink was beer, because it was safer than milk or water.
Uhhhh what? Milk was rearly drank and was processed into other things. That processing made it safer to eat. Also, massive industrial farming ensures one sick cow leads to hundreds of other sick cows. So now one gallon of milk is a mix from hundreds of cows and could come from hundreds of miles away.
The average life expectancy for a human was also less than 30 for thousands and thousands of years.
Not it wasn’t.
The average life expectancy wasn’t all to different from today, infant mortality was crazy high though. But if you survived childhood you were pretty set.
Next you’re going to tell me to stop drinking raw rat milk?
If they had fed the mice ivermectin and turmeric first, and rubbed some urine in their eyes, they would have been immune, probably.
Is turmeric used as some kind of alt-medicine thing?
kagis
Ah. Apparently some researcher tried putting out fraudulent papers to make money on some company about two decades back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcumin
Research fraud
Bharat Aggarwal, a former cancer researcher at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, had 29 papers retracted due to research fraud as of July 2021. Aggarwal’s research had focused on potential anti-cancer properties of herbs and spices, particularly curcumin, and according to a March 2016 article in the Houston Chronicle, “attracted national media interest and laid the groundwork for ongoing clinical trials”.
Aggarwal cofounded a company in 2004 called Curry Pharmaceuticals based in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, which planned to develop drugs based on synthetic analogs of curcumin. SignPath Pharma, a company seeking to develop liposomal formulations of curcumin, licensed three patents by Aggarwal related to that approach from MD Anderson in 2013.
FDA warnings about dietary supplements
Between 2018 and 2023, the FDA issued 29 warning letters to American manufacturers of dietary supplements for making false claims of anti-disease effects from using products containing curcumin. In each letter, the FDA stated that the supplement product was not an approved new drug because the “product is not generally recognized as safe and effective” for the advertised uses, that “new drugs may not be legally introduced or delivered for introduction into interstate commerce without prior approval from FDA”, and that the “FDA approves a new drug on the basis of scientific data and information demonstrating that the drug is safe and effective”.
Alternative medicine
Though there is no evidence for the safety or efficacy of using curcumin as a therapy, some alternative medicine practitioners give it intravenously, supposedly as a treatment for numerous diseases. In 2017, two serious cases of adverse events were reported from curcumin or turmeric products—one severe allergic reaction and one death—that were caused by administration of a curcumin-polyethylene glycol (PEG40) emulsion product by a naturopath. One treatment caused anaphylaxis leading to death.
“some researcher”? dude, there’s entire ministry in India that promotes this bullshit
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/curcumin-will-waste-your-time https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Ayush
Does the “I only drink raw milk” crowd skew more in one direction politically?
I think you get a split of hard right conspiracy theorists and hard left granola crunchers.
I’m not a huge fan of milk, but if the FDA says that there’s a potential to get H5N1 from drinking it straight from the cow, they don’t have to tell me twice. Incidentally, I caught H1N1 on the Tokyo subway a few years back. It gave me a really bad fever for a couple of days. Would not recommend.
