Mr. Trump, the former president and presumptive Republican nominee, derided the trial as “rigged” and made numerous false statements about what had taken place in court
Like he would even know what took place in court since he slept through half of it
He said himself he doesn’t even know what the charges are.
Personally I’d have asked my lawyer. Probably before 5 weeks of testimony, but definitely before the verdict.
You’d think. lol
The charges against him would have been read to him in their entirety during the arraignment proceedings which come (long) before the trial. The orange dipshit probably slept through that, too.
He’s playing like the charges are too complex for his voters. He may have also been trying to suggest they are just inane technicalities that we shouldn’t worry about.
It’sa fucking act, he knows what he did, he was sure he’d get away with it, and now he’s trying to get out of it. He’ll say anything but the truth.
He had the opportunity to testify if he thought any of the statements were false… he declined.
That’s all we need to fucking say - under oath he refused to refute the charges.
It kind of does say it all, but in a criminal trial, refusing to testify cannot be held against you under the 5th Amendment. In a civil trial, though, refusing to testify can be factored into reaching a verdict.
So yeah, while it may make you appear guilty as hell, refusing to testify in your criminal trial cannot be held against you.
That was hammered into us every time I had to report for jury duty.
Idealistically, you’re right. But it says volumes that someone would be willing to say a lot of shit in front of a camera (where the consequences are miniscule), but refuse to say the exact same shit in front of a judge (where the consequences are serious [assuming you’re not a “rich” white orange cult leader]).
Trump doesn’t testify for the one reason we all know: he’d incriminate himself faster than any piece of evidence that could ever be produced.
My understanding is that it is usually idiotic to testify at one’s own criminal trial, even if innocent. Preventing Donald from testifying is one of the few intelligent things the defense did, and not just because he is a loudmouthed pathological liar who would instantly perjure himself.
It is absolutely your right to not be sentenced or punished by the state for refusing to testify and that’s fucking important… it absolutely isn’t your right to not be publicly damaged for being an obvious shit-heel who is clearly lying every second they aren’t under oath.
I think it’s important to distinguish those two things.
He faces probation or up to four years in prison.
It’s been reported that only 10% of felons are given jail time for similar convictions. You have to wonder if such remarks after his conviction, indicating he’s learned absolutely nothing, may lead a judge towards the harsher punishment.
Also, let’s take a moment to applaud Alvin L. Bragg.
Alvin L. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney, risked his reputation by indicting Mr. Trump in a case that some prominent Democrats said wasn’t strong enough to have brought against a former president. Instead, Mr. Bragg cemented his place in history as the first prosecutor to convict a former president.
I remember when we thought we were going to make statues of Robert Mueller on Capitol Hill because we once thought he was brave for taking on Trump.
Let’s maybe wait to see if Trump actually gets sentenced with an appropriate punishment first before jumping the gun with Bragg.
The democrats are such goddamn pussies. They need to wake up and fight the fascism before their Inaction destroys this country.
I hate the rhetoric that we can’t do anything because it would make Trump a martyr.
So it’s either let him do whatever he wants or he’s a martyr. I don’t know why they see this as a lose lose situation. Hold the fucker accountable for his actions or he’ll keep doing shitty things. It’s their fault that it’s gone on as long as it has.
He won’t go to prison, but there’s a decent chance he’ll get home confinement for a few months.
Nah, I think it’ll just be probation with generous terms. If they put him on house arrest, he’ll challenge that saying it’s political and it will prevent him from campaigning. It’ll be easier to just slap him with a “you have to report your travel plans” and a few hours of community service. He deserves much more, but it’ll cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars and take years if they actually try to punish him. I’ll call it a win if we can always refer to him as “convicted felon DT” and let him walk. That will give more ammo for harsher sentences for the federal cases.
Is there any actual weight to this talk of campaign interference? I heard it somewhere else, too. It just seems absurd to me that that would be considered at all. Like if I did a few felonies but was like: your honor, I’ve got to water my plants. so you see - I can’t do any prison time.
And Johnson wants the Supreme Court to step in, overturn the conviction, and grant immunity to future prosecution.
He’s a bigger dipshit than I took him for.
I hadn’t heard about Johnson calling for that, so I looked it up:
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/31/mike-johnson-trump-supreme-court
“I think that the Justices on the court – I know many of them personally – I think they are deeply concerned about that, as we are. So I think they’ll set this straight,” the Louisiana Republican added.
I think that quote really puts into perspective that the GOP is no longer the party of law. If a jury hands down a decision we don’t like, we get our friends in high places to overturn it. I bet his kids never have to worry about traffic tickets, either, they all get magically “fixed” with the right phone call.
Trump’s allies are already plotting revenge, with one prospective Trump attorney general candidate telling Axios’ Zach Basu and Sophia Cai that GOP prosecutors should go after Democrats in response.
You know what? If Democrats break the law, then prosecutors should go after them! Somehow, though, I don’t think this is what they have in mind.
I don’t think that’s possible. First of all, they’re state crimes. Second of all, the jury has already rendered a verdict. The state courts are separate from federal for a reason, and setting aside a jury’s verdict for literally no reason is just not possible for the Supreme Court. The jury is the decider of fact, the judge is the decider of law. This jury decided that trump did indeed commit this crime, so it’s now established fact.
They would have to rule based on some error in the court process. Judge Merchan was very careful to give Trump a fair trial, so there are no grounds for appeals.
Don’t make the mistake of underestimating the opposition. He’s not an idiot and knows exactly what he is doing.
Why did they say “false statement” when “lie” is much more efficient?
To call something a lie, the media outlet has to know, 100%, that the speaker knows it’s a lie. It’s difficult to impossible to meet that threshold in pretty much all cases.
A false statement is an untruth — a lie that could have resulted from an honest mistake, poor fact-checking, negligence, or just plain bad luck / stupidity.
People may say something that is known to them as the truth, but is not necessarily the objective truth as known by others. In that case, they would be making unwitting false claims. i.e. “it’s not a lie if you believe it”
Basically it comes down to liability. If a media outlet directly calls something someone says a lie, they’re going to get sued.
And Cheeto is a walking SLAAP lawsuit.
He won’t sue. If he sues they can subpoena and reveal that in private communications he admits the truth.
I mean, a smart person (or a dumb person who at least listened to the advice of their lawyers) wouldn’t sue in that scenario. But this is Trump we’re talking about, lol, so I’m less convinced.
Honestly even that much is a big step for the New York Times. I’m a little surprised they’re not trying to “both sides” it.
the news on regular tv last night was totally lopsided. tons of ‘reaction’ from the right and far-right, hardly anything from anyone else.
It’s high time he get kicked in the cunt.
