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352 points

Oh my God oh my God if the landlords have to sell, that would be… Check notes… That would be really good for people who want to buy houses.

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113 points

this is what is known as “a feature, not a bug”

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61 points

SIKE! sold houses are only bought by corporate holding companies, now you’ve lost even more rights!

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31 points

In France there is a law that forces you to sell to your tenant if he has the highest bid

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26 points

Why would you need a law to make someone sell to the highest bidder?

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6 points

It’s even better than that because it is illegal to make bids on a property you sell so the seller name a price and if someone want to buy it at that price it’s sold. Most of the time buyers tries to bargain on markets where the demand is low

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5 points

This happened a lot during the Great Depression. But then I believe the owners found a way to withdraw the auctioned property if the minimum bid didn’t suit them. The French law might bring back the Penny Auction by saying, “You put it up for bid - a sale has to go through.”

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4 points

Wouldn’t you sell to the highest bidder anyway?

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3 points

Wouldn’t most people sell to the highest bid anyway?

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More precisely, when you sell the tenant has the right to buy it first.

If the landlord is thinking of accepting an external offer under the initial price then he has to ask again to the tenant if he would buy it at this lower price.

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Umm, you can legally sell it to someone else and not the highest bidder?

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6 points

Idk, something like 12% of all metro Atlanta area homes are leased out by about 3 rental property companies. That’s a huge amount.

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But worse for those looking for a rental.

Rent control is a bandaid on a real problem that makes things worse long term. What California needs is build more, which means end the NIMBY and unfreeze property taxes so those seating on underutilized land are forced to develop it or sell.

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9 points

LVT, not property tax. You want to tax the value of the land, not the value of the property built on it.

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Would property taxes actually do much? They’re so little even in high property-tax states that I think you’d need to do a lot more than that to FORCE rich people to utilize their other properties. High taxes would potentially push more costs on renters. Maybe we should just outlaw having more than 1 or 2 homes… including for real estate companies and banks :)

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I keep wondering how to make the law do that. Making a company is like $100, that’s nothing compared to the house price. They would just have shell companies all over each owning a single location. 123 Fake St., LLC; 124 Fake St., LLC; etc.

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High taxes would potentially push more costs on renters.

Potentially, but I think here not so much. Competition drives prices down. In a perfectly competitive market, prices are pretty much equal to the cost of production. In that case, any tax would be completely passed on to the customer. But you can’t produce land at a certain location. My guess is that rents are largely determined by willingness to pay.

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I don’t think you need to add any taxes. If the area is attractive enough to warrant a higher density redevelopment, just unlock it and it will get done.

I mean, if you are a developer and you know for certain there’s a lot of interest in a certain area and you know for certain that you could buy that big single family lot and make a 3-5 story building instead with 10-20 apartments, you’d be crazy not to offer double the market rate to get it and develop it as fast as possible.

Just need to change the law to allow redevelopment of single family areas into medium density.

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Hmm build more. I’d be curious to see the stats on this. California has probably built 10 times more than the rest of the country combined over the last decade or so. People need to GO THE FUCK BACK HOME.

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Good. Bye bitch.

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185 points

They’d flood the market with properties shifting us along the supply curve to allow younger people to afford properties?

Darn, that’d be so… awful? No, I was looking for awesome.

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3 points

First person I’ve seen who didn’t say it increases supply.

Nice.

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22 points

Is it really functionally any different? “increases supply” is a decent shorthand

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9 points

Isn’t that exactly what they just said?

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5 points

Hey, I remember my macroeconomics!

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7 points

Supply/demand is usually micro…

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It probably won’t flood the market as property/land is sort of like gold. Renting it is just extra money on top of land value rise. It only gets rarer. (In desirable locations)

The problem is basic. Everyone wants to live at A but A has finite amount of space. This is the core theme of property gold. Renting is just double dipping

The solution is complex. It isn’t to expand A but to make B equally attractive. If the small area in city was not the ultimate goal of whole country the price boom would rapidly crash overnight.

What is priced isn’t property but dreams and aspirations, prestige, bright future in the city of opportunity. Even love in a way because good luck finding someone in some rural mud hut.

Hence the inaction of government to invest in the rural areas adds to the housing bubble. And of course capitalism itself prays on individuality at the cost of community. Me get rich in the city vs Build community and improve what is around me for me and others. The second is not advisable to anyone to even attempt.

Everything is fuelled into those few acres of asphalt and concrete. The impossibly hot focus point of the nation.
So incredibly fierce that you can die out of heat even during winter. The speed limits on the arteries are rather minimums than maximum as the circulation of wealth cannot tolerate stopping for even the 20 seconds of red light. Every crossing is a race starting line but there is no end. Furious engines roar jolting towards the success.
The night is day and the day is madness.

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141 points

Don’t threaten me with a good time.

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123 points

Is there a downside further in the article or is it just all positive news?

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39 points

The downside is they’ll just be bought up by corporations who will be even shittier landlords.

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If the market is adequately regulated they wont be shittier landlords. There somehow is this romantic idea of smaller scale landlords to be like the good old guy that want to help a family find a good place and accept a modest profit. They exist, but the majority are just equally cutthroat like large corpos. Difference is that large corps have more means to be strategic about it and accept risks like 5% of tenants suing successfully while the rest just accepts the illegal treatment.

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If the market is adequately regulated

Well there’s your first mistake lol

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4 points

My current landlord has broken half a dozen laws, so yeah… At least corpos don’t do that.

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Let me tell you how it works in the real world right here right now in the UK. Large corpos set targets on how many rentals they want to acquire. For example, Lloyds announced a few years ago that they’re building a portfolio of 50k properties. Yes, fifty fucking thousand homes!

And so small landlords are forced to sell due to changes in the law. Corporate investors buy them in an instant at full asking price or even higher to ensure that property value doesn’t go down and so you, a mere mortal, can’t buy shit.

Next, they freeze the properties and don’t release anything on the market. That creates an insane housing shortage and rental prices go through the roof. A few years later they will start introducing their portfolio to the market slowly to avoid crashes at 2-5x price compared to just last year. People are desperate and pay through the nose.

Boom! Mega profits! What is your 3% yearly cap when they just jacked up the price five times? It will take many years to make a dent.

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Idk about that. Almost all renting horror stories are with small private landlords.

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