Think of the money we’d all have if we were the ones selling our data
Big tech companies making vast profits off of users providing data for free instead of paying workers wages in exchange for manufacturing goods is only going to deepen the disparity of wealth in society.
What we desperately need is essentially a Digital Bill of Rights so that we can legally own our own data.
you mean theres no infinite growth and eventually it would lead to overextracting wealth from the people? just preposterous.
The solution for capitalism is more capitalism? Have you never played monopoly?
Private ownership ≠ capitalism. Monopoly is a critique of free market capitalism, which naturally leads to a concentration of wealth for those who hold all the assets. Giving people ownership of their own data would help redistribute that wealth in a more equitable way.
No, it won’t fix the underlying problem of Capitalism, but it would at least be a step in the right direction.
You already own everything by default unless you forfeit your rights by implicitly accepting terms and conditions of a specific service.
The amount is incredibly vaste. If we go by quantity no one here is getting a dime, and if we go by quality…it’s probably the same. Not to mention the logistics of getting everyone their penny or two.
And the data right now belongs to everyone. For example, Reddit technically ‘owns’ it’s content, but anyone can use it for ml purposes.
It’s why a lot of these campaigns about data ownership are being pushed. If the gov passes laws, it won’t be to the benefit of the individual but the data aggregators like Reddit, Shutterstock, etc.
They are playing on emotions and manipulating people into thinking killing AI FOSS and erecting data barriers is in their interest.
Don’t mind my tipsy Friday rambling, but this is actually an interesting thing to think about. Kinda wonder how that would work, if it were to be real. Maybe there’d be a single centralized data broker, or we could choose from a list of vendors, like how sharing cookies works.
Would it be per a specific amount of data, identifiable data, what if we just dumped 10 years of chats into it.
I am watching a lot of YouTube. Premium would cost 13€/month, or 130€ if paid yearly. I use an ad blocker and don’t want any of the extra features that are provided to premium users. So until they manage to make unblockable ads, 130€/year could very reasonably be considered profit for the act of selling my data.
IMO it’s one thing if you posted things publicly on the internet and it’s getting scraped, in the same way a human would find it.
But it’s disgusting when all these companies retroactively update their TOS, or force you into zero privacy to continue using their service.
They were already doing that stuff with your data but now they’re telling you about it.
They were already doing this but now they’re beginning to become afraid of the legal ramifications. Using data like this hasn’t gotten so close to redistribution of Common Law copyrighted work .
If someone can provide evidence of an AI regurgitating their work verbatim or with no alterations they can be in serious legal trouble. We all have this right, but they have the right to sign a contract with us outlining the terms of the copyright and or granting them a perpetual license to the work. Just remember any work you do for your company isn’t yours but the companies as per the work for hire doctrine.
This is the entire issue for me.
Privatizing what is otherwise public content, and then privatizing the models that are trained on that content and making me pay for having it regurgitated back at me.
I think AI would be really cool, IF:
- it wasn’t being shoved into every goddamn thing
- it wasn’t being used as justification to cut jobs
- it was a open source project and wasn’t being gatekept by capitalist interests
There is no “data ownership”. It’s all made up. If you don’t want people to copy and build off your ideas, don’t share them. That’s not to defend corpos Btw. I posit that any ai models trained on public data must be open sourced by default.
Autodesk has mandatory cloud saves, and MS got caught training on private github repos. They don’t care whether it’s public or not
Your heart rate. Your step count. Your location. Your searches. Your browser history. Your call history. Your contacts. Your transactions. Your credit history. Your medical history. This is data that you didn’t choose to create or share, but that you exhaust in the day-to-day things you do.
Surveillance capitalism has grown too unfathomably huge and ingrained to choose not to share this data; that would be akin to checking out of modern life wholesale in a lot of ways. Guarding this data takes not only the realisation that it needs guarding, but changing law and culture such that the parties that have to have all that data to provide you with services cannot take it from you to sell.
There’s a difference between private data and content. Obviously this is not what we’re talking about here
AI is here and it’s here to stay whether we want it or not, either it’s free and legal for everyone to develop (ie training on copyrighted data does not violate copyrights), or only the massively rich corporations will be able to afford to pay for (or already happen to have the rights to as the case may be, see stock photo companies or reddit for examples) the sheer amounts of data that are needed to adequately train them
Yeah, I’m genuinely feeling like I don’t want to publish things I create onto the internet, because these companies will gladly break laws to use it. Companies spent decades building up ridiculous copyright laws and when they go to violate those laws themselves, law enforcement fails.
Don’t. Please stop. Don’t publish anything you don’t want shared. There was so much cool free stuff that everyone shared until content creators showed up trying to sell us shit like a bunch of car salesmen. Please stop
Oh, I do want it shared. I just don’t want to be taken advantage of by immoral companies. That’s why I would share it under licenses like AGPLv3 or CC BY-NC-SA. In a sense, I’m very much blocking others from taking the free stuff I share and turning it into a commercial product, because I do feel the same as you.
A.I. will destroy copyright completely, and I’m here for it. Art and commerce have no business being bedfellows.
We’re speeding towards a point where only the obscenely rich resource hoarders and their corporations actually own anything.
The rest of us will just use anything, including what is still technically our own bodies, at their pleasure.
Can’t say I’m quite gleeful about it tbh…
In Yanis Varoufakis’s words: Techno feudalism.
