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The difference is you can still get those degrees if you want to. In communism, you cant.

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Go on

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Why not?

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Gulag

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For what?

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29 points

Colleges didn’t exist in communism?

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They did, but you got training in whatever the state wanted, not the individual.

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This is not true. At least here in Romania, the issue with colleges under communism was that there were VERY limited slots, so you had to either be the best of the best or have a high up party member in the family or as a close personal friend.

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Can you provide historical references that prove this statement? I’ve only seen this idea presented in anti-communist propaganda, speculation, and works of fiction.

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Do you know that political systems are a spectrum and hard socialism or communism are not eh only alternatives to rampant capitalism? Have you heard of Scandinavian countries like Sweden or Norway? If not, I strongly recommend reading about their political systems.

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This is true! Socialism is a spectrum of different political expressions of the idea of socially held wealth. The term was coined by Marx to a wider already existant school of thought regarding how basic human needs should be handled through copious economic planning. The slogan we hear about workers and means of production isn’t quite accurate as it is kind of a short quippy way to summerize passages that uses terms like “use-value”.

There were other promenant thinkers who served as and creditied as predecessors on that school of thought. We tend to use the term “proto socialists” to that group because many of them predeceased the term but Socialism is an umbrella term. If you believe on any form distribution of resources required to meet basic needs then you fall under the umbrella.

A lot of the Socialist movers and shakers of the past saw variable amounts and expressions of success in integration of Socialist principles inside democratic systems.

Communism has somewhat less shades of grey and while technically under the umbrella term socialism in some ways it is unique. It refers in practice of the supposed handover of power to a system that is supposed to have a diminishing need for a state while also prohibiting privately held property. It sometimes aims for a currency free situation. As such it is incompatible with current models of liberal-socialist spectrums of representitive democracies. It has also never technically succeeded in that handoff… Which is sometimes veiwed as a critical failure point inate to the attempted implementation of the ideology - or as a set of individual failures of the movements who attempted to adopt the ideology in name and fumbled the landing.

There is a lot of interesting history on different forms of socialism!

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Yes because Scandinavian countries aren’t capitalist societies.

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Too bad the scandinavian model still has the inherent unsustainability of Capitalism, rampant exploitation, and hyper-exploitation of the Global South.

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The difference is you can still get those degrees if you want to.

If you come from a family of means you can, and no one will bat an eye.

If you get those degrees on student loans because it’s your passion, you wind up in massive debt and poverty, usually with capitalism defenders (and the owner’s for profit media) running to point and yell that you deserve it for not picking a passion that will maximize your utility at providing capital value to the owners.

Self-actualization for nepo babies all day. Preparation to be one of those nepo baby’s batteries for the rest.

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What are you genuinely talking about?

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Capitalism is the only system that lets you chase your dreams, if those dreams are stomping on the dreams of others through a position of privilege.

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Yeah “acquire passive income through exploitation and then pursue your dreams”

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Especially if by “pursuing your dreams” you mean exploiting workers, protecting capitalists, making opportunities for money laundering (for capitalists), or oppressing and killing minorities domestic and foreign (to help the capitalists).

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Well yeah the key is to acquire that passive income before you’re born, through your parents, so that you can pursue your dreams as soon as you’re old enough to form them.

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Reminds me of George Lucas talking about how Soviet filmmakers had more creative freedom than American ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

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While there is absolutely truth to what he’s saying there, I do think it is sort of a “grass is always greener” thing.

For example, Tarkovsky famously butted heads constantly with Soviet censors/authorities about the content of his films (though to be fair, he was making some out there shit). I believe it’s ultimately why he left the USSR.

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Dude, capitalism has been taking advantages of those degree, or rather, the whole education system!

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You are free to chase those dreams. You are free to also struggle to find employment like the rest of us. Why hamper yourself? Do things that aren’t profitable but you enjoy as hobbies Stop trying to find fulfillment at work.

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Art is hugely profitable.

The arts are a significant contributor to the UK economy. Here’s a quick breakdown of their impact:

  • Economic output: The creative industries, which include the arts, are estimated to generate £126 billion in gross value added (GVA) to the UK economy. This represents around 5.6% of the total economy.
  • Employment: The creative industries employ around 2.4 million people in the UK, accounting for 7% of all filled jobs. This sector has also seen a faster recovery in employment after the pandemic compared to the rest of the economy.
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So your argument is… Yay capitalism?

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No, I was simply refuting the claim that art isn’t profitable. If it was up to me, art as a recreation would be what people were encouraged to do with their days instead of working for corporations.

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Ok, so your meme is wrong then…it sounds like the few artists that can’t make it are just to shit at marketing themselves then.

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Reading this comment has made me measurably stupider.

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Yeah. You should be miserable most of the time. That’s humanity’s natural state.

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