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“Dave Ramsey is a dickhead that nobody should listen to, and he should fuck off all the way over there” says doctortofu, a random nobody on the Internet

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says doctortofu, a nobody on the Internet notable for being more correct than Dave Ramsey

Give yourself credit, even as a nobody you’re much better than that jackass

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I’d rather be a nobody who’s right than someone people listen to who’s horribly wrong.

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Ramsey added: “If the welfare system worked, people would be sprinting out of these government funded ghettos into a wonderful life, and instead they’ve set up camp there generationally.”

Just more Protestant bullshit that ignores every study and trial.

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Not to mention bigoted and classist.

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and racist! can’t forget racist! Hey mr. ramsey ya think the practice of redlining had anything to do with people “setting up camp in ghettos generationally?”

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He said unconditional cash grants deterred people from working and reaping the benefits of success.

Just like the wealthy people who keep working after they’ve made enough to live the rest of their life on the interest.

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Or their children, who didn’t even work to get to that point. If unconditional cash grants are bad, outlaw inheritance; it’s just an unconditional cash grant awarded by genetic lottery. If working for success it’s so paramount, make everyone do it.

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I’m pretty sure it’s wrong, too. Every UBI trial I’ve seen has people improving their lives. Some get lifted into work. Some get necessary training. A very high percentage have their life and status improved, better than welfare.

Ramsey can duck right off with his bullshit.

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Those who only ever act out of greed and selfishness always believe these are the only reasons anyone could ever be motivated to act. The notion that people could work because they like it, or because it helps others, or because they would rather be active than inactive, is out of reach of their imaginations.

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It’s worth underscoring that many proponents of UBI disagree that it eliminates the desire or need to work.

Or you know you could just reference actual studies instead of countering one dude’s unsupported opinion with an unsupported opinion from “many proponents”. You don’t need to pretend like it’s unknown and the best we can do it jot down opposing opinions from random people.

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Yeah pretty much what I would expect from a business oriented website to offer counterpoints as ‘beliefs’ so that they are dismissed as ramblings from crazy people

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I’m sure Dave Ramsey has never read Marx, and I’m equally certain he is proud of that fact, so how can he claim to know what Marx did advocate for or would advocate for? I’m not a Marxist, nor an expert in Marxian theory, but I have read and studied some Marx and based on what (admittedly little) I know, I don’t see a connection between Marxism and universal basic income. In fact, I think Marx would have been opposed to UBI, maybe even viewing it as something that would strengthen the capitalist class and weaken the working class.

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It is. Welfare states are perfectly fine expressions of enlightened self interest under capitalism. The owner class is guaranteed a relatively healthy population to exploit, the wage slaves are kept just happy enough to not rebel.

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  • All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
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