cross-posted from: https://jlai.lu/post/8269177
Being french ATM :
Germany: “We won last time. It’s ok to be third place this time.”
Italy too!
The Netherlands just finished and walked out of this picture. But yeah we now have new discussions in Congress if umvolkung/the great replacement theory is a fact or if it a fascist conspiracy theory. According to the cabinet it’s a fact and you can be minister and believe in it. (For example the minister that’s decideds about immigration)
Don’t group the US and the UK together here. The UK is on track to expel most of their Conservatives in the next surprise election because the Conservative in charge is an impulsive man-baby. The US is on track to hold their very last election as they fall into a tyranny built by Christofacists and Ultracapitalists and lead by the most ridiculous cult of personality you’ve ever seen.
Eh? Labour has been racing over to the right since Starmer buried all of his leadership election pledges and surrounded himself with all the most reactionary neo-liberal ghouls he could find. They’re little different in political outlook from the 2010-15 tory-libdem coalition. Austerity and the “sensible” backing of the expedient genocides here we come.
They aren’t out and out fascists but they are heaving that Overton window to the right, so fascist rhetoric will flourish.
Why are the UK on here, were about to vote in a left wing party.
were about to vote in a left wing party
Bahahahahahahaha, omg I needed a good laugh this evening., thanks…
Guy literally purged every halfway leftist in the fucking party, and has spent his entire time as leader, and is aiming his entire election campaign on, pleasing capitalists and maintain the status quo. The man doesn’t have a left leaning bone in his spineless self serving body.
Dude literally promised to continue tory policies. He’s a fucking Tory in a labour suit.
Yup, but people don’t want to hear it, they want to pat themselves on the back for “doing their part” and move on with their lives without ever having to stop to consider what they’re actually endorsing and what part they are playing in this charade designed to keep us forever subservient to the owning class.
Eh, still better than the Tories. Supermajority begins the process of dragging the overton window back left, which I’m all for
Supermajority begins the process of dragging the overton window back left
Literally the opposite.
Normalising the current Labour party as anything even remotely left, which it isn’t in any way shape or form, shifts the window to the right by removing actual left from the map altogether. That’s the whole point of Starmer - to regain back ground for the right after what Corbyn awoke in the party and country.
We are getting a Tory whoever wins, they just wear different coloured ties.
I mean, when the US trolls say “BoTh SiDeS” we all laugh. Even the choice to vote for corrupt Torries or not-so-corrupt Torries is better than no vote.
We laugh because when they say both sides they’re thinking about left and right, but in reality left isn’t even represented in our politics at all (be it US or UK and plenty others, but really all nation states, since leftists don’t even believe they should exist), so they’re really talking about two different coloured representations of the same side being the same, which they are. Both serve and worship capitalism, and therefore fascism.
Also I never said anything about not voting, that’s what people like you who refuse to see the reality always like to insert to make yourselves feel superior for doing the bare minimum, I simply refuse to endorse someone so blatantly acting against my own interest and the interests of the country and its people, nor do I believe the vote I did cast will make any difference, because the system is designed to be irreformable, and as they say - if a vote changed anything, they wouldn’t let us do it. No matter who is elected, the system ensures we remain in service of the owning class.
Also fuck linking that to me, assuming I must be ignorant because I don’t agree with your uninformed centrist take when actually being disabled I have actively and consistently been on the direct receiving end of Tory cuts for 15 years, and have suffered greatly for it. Labour is literally offering me nothing different, worse, they make it crystal clear over and over and over again that they don’t give a shit about people like me (not just disabled, but poor, and queer, to name a couple more groups they don’t give a shit about).
So you feel free to pat yourself on the back for “getting rid of the Tories” all you like, but all you’re doing is endorsing another shade of exactly the same shit, and letting people like me know how little you care about our safety and rights (nor your own, since first they may have come for us, but they’ll be coming for you eventually).
I’m with you about the authoritarian purging of the party. Nevertheless, with the size of the majority that’s being predicted it will be hard to keep so many people in line once they have gone from being candidates to actual MPs. The biggest opposition in parliament may end up being socialist rebels within the Labour party itself.
Labour tried to do things the proper way under Corbyn and got completely destroyed. Back to lies, treachery and ‘Realpolitik’. The fact is that after all the u-turning that Labour’s leadership has done under Starmer, nobody can count on them doing anything. That includes the corporations and financial sector, who are just as likely to be getting played for fools as the rest of us.
The biggest opposition in parliament may end up being socialist rebels within the Labour party itself.
You can keep telling yourself that, but it’s never going to happen, Starmer made sure of it.
Labour tried to do things the proper way under Corbyn and got completely destroyed.
By the establishment they threatened, which you are now completely willing to bow down to and cooperate with.
That includes the corporations and financial sector, who are just as likely to be getting played for fools as the rest of us.
Wow, lmfao, if you think that you’ve really not been paying attention, Starmer has been pretty openly licking corporate arse so hard his tongue is its own shade of brown, his whole neoliberal existence is to make sure capitalists remain top priority.
Starmer doesn’t give a shit about you or me, and he has no intention on making our lives better, nor do the rest of the neoliberals he’s made sure to surround himself with.
Starmer’s Labour is about as left wing as the US Democrats are; by comparison only.
as i understood he has no intention of reversing the institutional damage from the Tories so he’s effectively supporting those anti welfare policies
Tbh the question is just how big a majority labour get, and whether the Tories will even be the second biggest party.
Nigel Frog Face Farage’s far right Reform UK do look like they might get up to maybe 15%-20% of vote however. But thanks to our very unrepresentative FPTP system they’re looking to get 0.15% to 0.31% of the members of parliament. In short they’re facing the same issues that have held down the left in the UK for years.
Don’t worry, you are still in the running, it’s just a temporary setback.
it’s just a temporary setback.
Barely even that, the man is the establishment, and has proven time and time again that he isn’t interested in the working class and other marginalised people. If anything, he’s there to keep things the same so that in the next cycle of this sham theatre the Tories can point to the lack of improvement as Labour failing and get right back in to power again.
The system is designed to self preserve, this isn’t a bug, it’s a feature, and as long as people keep playing along and pinning their hopes on the establishment reforming itself, we’re going to continue our rapid descent in to full blown fascism.
When did the UK get a new major party? Or are you just being wrong and calling the labor party left wing while their policies are just torie light?
Honestly, they are talking about relations allowing the rail - they are left wing. Starmer just happens to be a pragmatist who actually wanted to get elected. You wait and see how much better state the country is in after 5 years under a left end labour government
While privatizing healthcare and continuing anti trans policies. If the only way to be elected in the UK is to really far right shit then that’s some societal rot right there.
The UK may even be doing better in 5 years but that would be an insanely low bar, currently the only economically viable area is London and the whole country is being overtaken by fucking Poland economically.
Honestly, good for you. I think you’re entirely deluded but maybe I’m just jaded from seeing centrist parties worldwide fail for the last two decades.
Well he’s pro privatisation of the NHS, pro Israel,
anti-trans, dropped his electoral reform promises and to abolish the house of lords
dropped his green energy promises,
decided to keep private schools as charity status,
Is keeping the Tories cuts to welfare,
is pro university tuition fees,
is against taxing the rich more,
dropped his commitment to nationalise public services like water gas and energy,
dropped his promise to defend freedom of movement and refuses to start the process of rejoining EU or EEA,
dropped his promise to stop new oil and gas licences in the north sea,
dropped his promise to scrap the universal credit system
So please tell me, what is he offering to do thats actually left wing, that the Tories arent?
