“After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.
Exactly. At this point idk why anyone bothers migrating to things that are not backed by open standards. The price of vendor lock-in always comes.
Until I can easily export the data, where is the vendor lock?
Vendor lock means that migrating away has significant cost or technical challenges.
Take this case: documents saved are first of all easily downloadable from drive (in bulk), and also exportable in markdown.
They change pricing/add features that I don’t want/sell off the company (hard now that it’s managed by a nonprofit but still) etc.? I make a nice bulk download and move everything in whatever other system I want. I can do the same for contacts, email (I use my own domains) and calendar. Basically, 1h + the time to download files and I am moved to another provider.
Can you elaborate in what you think the vendor lock looks like?
Is there an open standard for encrypted asynchronous colabreative document creation and editing?
As open components, we have the OpenDocument standard + signal protocol for E2EE + CRDTs for conflict resolution. No idea whether they’re compatible though.
As a product, Collabora Online is open and collaborative.
Collabra seems close. They do use ODF. And you can host you’re own server.
But they don’t seem to use E2EE. And the collaborative aspect doesn’t apear to be an open standard you can use with different software packages.
For every proton post, can we please get a bot that auto posts these, to save everyone the effort:
- proton isn’t private / yes it is / they never claimed to be
- wasnt there a case when they shared that activist account / you have the facts wrong, here’s what actually happened
- [insert proton app name] for Linux when? / Linux is only x% of user base
- proton needs to finish [insert proton app name] before starting something new / they are different teams so not relevant
- proton needs to make X / no they don’t
- people shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket / don’t use the service then
Thanks!
wasn’t proton revealed to be bullshitting about privacy recently?
edit: swiss courts compelled protonmail to log IPs, keep fingerprints of browsers and disclose them to authorities. there is no privacy.
And they specifically logged and delivered data about freedom fighters and environmentalists, so there’s some bias on Proton’s hand there.
If I have to choose between a company that freely sells and uses all my data versus a company that e2e encrypts my data and only complies with police and intelligence agency if it is specifically mandated by a swiss judge (and are fighing against it[1]), my money is definitely on the later
Is it perfect? Probably not. - Does it match my thread model? Definitely yes!
Also their privacy policy [2] allows to make a pretty well informed decision and map it against your thread model
And by the way, here’s the statement of the ceo regading the activist: https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
[1] https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/proton-wins-appeal-in-swiss-court-over-surveillance-laws/47052196 [2] https://proton.me/legal/privacy
Very cool but Proton Drive for Linux when?
Where’s the source code? Seriously, the only thing I can find for drive & calander are repos that were archived in 2021
I don’t think they don’t care, they have been adding Linux versions for all of their apps (except drive of course). The CEO themselves said in an interview that a Linux client for drive is inevitable and they will make one, but one of the hardest clients to develop.
The guy who made the Backblaze software said it was already done and was easy for their standard client to work with Linux but never got rolled out because Linux users are power users. I wonder if that is the real reason when it comes to Proton. It’s not unlimited but maybe there is some power user use that they anticipate and don’t want to deal with.
That might be it. Whatever the reason, it seems like a missed opportunity. Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.
They might have done their stats and figured out that only 0.0000001% of their users would benefit from it and there weren’t much profit there to make.
Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.
They already had to make the APK for the Play Store, providing it directly doesn’t require extra dev work.
I’m gonna try to see if you can use a windows vm with proton drive and a shared folder with the host system. Kinda a pain, but if it works it works. What I’d really love is an api for this kind of asshattery
Rclone now works:
I am still waiting for contacts app😔
