56 points

IDC how old they, I care how competent they are.

Theres plenty of incompetent middle aged and young people as well, letstry not to elect any of them, k?

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16 points

Exactly this, I’d rather someone near me drive their car at 65mph, than drive next to someone who’s a cocaine addict going over 85mph on the freeway.

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9 points

I think you’re on to something. We can probably solve most of the problems Biden has in the public discourse by giving him some cocaine.

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11 points

Correct, it’s about competency. Age is not indicative of one’s competency, just a mere suggestion - no matter if the person is young or old.

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3 points

So your in favor of removing the 35 yo age minimum?

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6 points

Yeah, its a dumb barrier in 2024. Lots of 20somethings would be better than biden or trump.

Ultimately, the DNC and RNC exist to stifle options, so until the 2 party system has a replacement theres little hope for real change anyways.

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1 point

The 2 party system rests on the one seat FPTP election system. So you’d need a complete renewal.

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1 point

Personally I’d be in favor of making it an age maximum. Let’s have a Logan’s Run rule for government.

And I say this with complete seriousness, and as someone who is already ineligible under the rule I propose.

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121 points

Biden already has those codes. If I look at where we started with Trump and where we ended up, and then where Biden picked up and where we ended up, my choice clearly becomes Biden. Trump went from “grab em by the pussy” to Covid to breaking a bunch of laws to an insurrection. Biden cleaned up Trump’s mess and avoided a complete imminent global financial collapse. All things considered, I’d rather see Biden over Trump and it’s too late to try to swap out Biden.

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But have you considered that he didn’t change military policy on Isreal?

That should be the one and only issue you base your vote on, according to a scary amount of people around here.

Edit: See? Here they are, saying Trump and Biden are the same. It’s kinda wild to watch.

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Different people have different priorities. I live in eastern EU. The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me. I obviously can’t vote in the US election, but I will happily support Biden from across the pond due to that one issue.

To a Palestinian? Yeah, I understand they don’t really care about anything outside the direct issues affecting their people so they’d be anti-Biden.

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I didn’t realize .ml was populated by so many Palestinians! You’d think they’d have more pressing things to do than post snark on Lemmy.

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8 points

I live in Norway and feel the same way. However I will point out that trump is pro Israel and doesn’t like Muslims. He even wanted to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

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9 points

I get why they don’t like Biden. But Trump has openly said that Israel should escalate the attacks and finish off the Palestinians.

Biden is ignoring genocide. Trump is actively encouraging it.

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The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me.

Only it seems that support for Ukraine is slowly drying out anyway. So whether electing Biden will help that is questionable.

One can’t blame them for not trusting anything signed by Russia, though. But maybe they should have conceded on some of the occupied territories, when Russia wasn’t demanding anything they didn’t hold, which is as close to “begging for peace” as you can expect from an adversary 3 times stronger.

Dunno, I think no matter what the outcome of that election, for Ukraine it’d be best to sign some treaty by September. Same for Armenia, only unless somebody forces Aliyev, it may not get such an opportunity.

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-27 points

If Biden is okay with murdering Palestinians, what makes you think he’d care about murdering you?

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8 points

You’re right, better to advocate for him to lose to Trump. He’ll treat me way better.

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Did we ever get that comprehensive justice system reform after the George floydd protests?

If not… maybe the protests didn’t go far enough? Go further.

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17 points

Look, even if you single issue on Palestine, which is 100% reasonable, the fact of the matter is that life expectancy and quality for Palestinians absolutely goes down significantly further under Trump. He has effectively said as much. Ot is baffling to me how there are people so myopic and stupid as to not see this. If you actually give a shit about even a single Palestinian, Trump is quite clearly an even worse nightmare scenario than they currently experience.

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9 points

You gotta stop huffing paint, bruh!

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2 points

Oh, well, you fucking mouth-breathing moron, here’s how: Biden personally told me he likes murdering Palestinians more than me last week at a charity function. We were having manhattans and those little cocktail weenies.

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3 points

He didn’t change policies on many other things too.

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-8 points

It’s not too late to swap out Biden, but i agree with everything else you said.

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4 points

It is too late to swap out Biden. It’s too late to try this with anyone else.

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It is too late to swap out Biden. It’s too late to try this with anyone else.

I’m slowly coming around to a Harris ticket. That memo that’s been circulating lays out a pretty compelling case.

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Ok, would you care to explain to me why? The way i see it, Biden is and always has been “not Trump”. If you put another person who isn’t trump but is also not a terrible unpopular candidate they would probably get a lot more votes.

People keep saying it’s too late without giving any proof. Saying that shit is going to MAKE IT too late. Postponing it any is going to make things harder. It’s something that unanimously has to happen right now if we want any chance at not falling to fascism.

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I’m not sure it makes sense to talk of them as of separate figures. The US state policy, internal and foreign, under both is eerily similar and continuous, with Trump it looked like “dumpster fire of the day”, with Biden (and Obama before Trump) it looked like “another careful calculated decision”, but they are all in the same general direction.

Biden cleaned up Trump’s mess and avoided a complete imminent global financial collapse.

Was it really Biden, though? Global economy is self-organizing and kinda reliable, like the Internet (by design, not by its real topology and those big underwater cables with no backup connecting whole continents).

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no backup connecting whole continents

Wtf are you talking about, there are dozens of them, its literally a huge network of cables.

Theres a whole website about it

Also, global economy is highly fragile, it can take one major investment bubble like in 2008 or event like Covid in 2020 to shake its foundations. Countries all over the world have to pump shitloads of money into it to keep the economy in a state where it won‘t collapse.

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Wtf are you talking about, there are dozens of them, its literally a huge network of cables.

There are places connected by only one or two and there are issues with load in case a lucky combination of those gets sabotaged etc.

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4 points

If we don’t get a 35 year old president at some point soon I’m gonna be upset.

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Jon Ossoff for 2028

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10 points

Is this more ‘both sides the same’ crappola? Sure sounds like that.

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13 points

I don’t think this is. It’s not wrong if it’s true. In this case it’s very true.

Now if you said both Biden and Trump committed the same amount of crimes. That would be doing the both sides thing.

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32 points

The sides are definitely not the same. One side is a fascist, a rapist, and a felon; the other side has trouble being coherent after 6pm.

They’re not the same, and I know who I’m voting for (not the fascist). But damn do I wish we had some better choices.

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The other is also aiding and abetting a genocide. I dont think Trump would have done different, but hey, cant forget that little snipet of information.

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12 points

Yeah point out that you’re not happy with Biden’s handling of the Middle East like it would by any different or better under Trump. Can’t forget that one is a fascist and one isn’t, don’t forget that little snippet of information.

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I’m happy enough to vote for the Biden administration. Whether or not Biden is actually leading the charge himself doesn’t really matter to me, it’s what they have accomplished in the past 4 years that I actually like (with the obvious exception of Gaza).

To be clear, I’m not indifferent on the first 4 years of Biden, I actively like it and wish for it to continue if more aggressive reform isn’t on the table, which it isn’t, nor would I expect it to be.

That said, the debate validated the biggest concerns about Biden. I have faith that his administration would keep up the good work if Biden is too feeble to run the show himself. But it’s shitty optics, and I don’t blame people for being alarmed. Especially since Harris isn’t very popular, nor do I fully trust her not to hold the reigns too tightly if they’re passed to her.

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Its both sides are shit

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63 points

Can we all agree that since we have an age-minimum of 35, then we should have an age-maximum tied to, say, retirement age?

The argument is simple: nobody is in their prime past retirement age. Nobody. And this by default suggests we guaranteed have better options to run the presidency than some geriatric seniors.

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Retirement age?? They’re already making retirement infeasible.

Perhaps to cut off just this type of talk /s

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11 points

True… I shouldn’t give them more cause to raise or eliminate it. How’s 65 as a hard cap?

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14 points

Perfect. They’ll be 69 when their term ends and then they can go do something else.

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12 points

But then, how do have the oldest, whitest person in charge?

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Don’t worry, the 1% always wins while we live a capitalist way of life.

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I see you have decided to criticize the democrats. I also see you have failed to post the required 100,000 word essay on how the Republicans are worse then the democrats.

That makes you a secret Russian Republican antisemetic nazi communist. Sorry… them the rules.

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