Is this more ‘both sides the same’ crappola? Sure sounds like that.
The sides are definitely not the same. One side is a fascist, a rapist, and a felon; the other side has trouble being coherent after 6pm.
They’re not the same, and I know who I’m voting for (not the fascist). But damn do I wish we had some better choices.
The other is also aiding and abetting a genocide. I dont think Trump would have done different, but hey, cant forget that little snipet of information.
Yeah point out that you’re not happy with Biden’s handling of the Middle East like it would by any different or better under Trump. Can’t forget that one is a fascist and one isn’t, don’t forget that little snippet of information.
I’m happy enough to vote for the Biden administration. Whether or not Biden is actually leading the charge himself doesn’t really matter to me, it’s what they have accomplished in the past 4 years that I actually like (with the obvious exception of Gaza).
To be clear, I’m not indifferent on the first 4 years of Biden, I actively like it and wish for it to continue if more aggressive reform isn’t on the table, which it isn’t, nor would I expect it to be.
That said, the debate validated the biggest concerns about Biden. I have faith that his administration would keep up the good work if Biden is too feeble to run the show himself. But it’s shitty optics, and I don’t blame people for being alarmed. Especially since Harris isn’t very popular, nor do I fully trust her not to hold the reigns too tightly if they’re passed to her.
Both Sides, comrade?
Usually when I see someone bring up “both sides” it’s a conservative like you trying to make people criticizing the democrats seem unreasonable.
Both sides are capitalist and conservative, but of course there are differences. Don’t you want more differences?
If you really get people who often “both sides” you, do you wanna know how to shut them the fuck up? You put them in the game! You force them to put their words into action by passing electoral reform. Doing away with First Past The Post voting, getting rid of tge spoiler effect, and make third parties viable.
Make them prove it. Force them to show us how it’s done. It’s so easy right? Force them into the game and they won’t have any “sides” to complain about.
More democracy is the answer, not hoping they vote for your guy.
Biden is losing in the polls to trump. If he continues to run we will have Trump again. I’m scared shirtless. I wish the democratic party would quit gambling with our democracy and take the fascist threat seriously.
They are taking the threat seriously. The problem is who they consider the threat. Democrats don’t see fascists as a threat to them, and do see progressives as a threat.
I don’t like it anymore than anyone else, but just look at how effective they were in shutting down Bernie. Yet, somehow, they are completely powerless to stop the Repuglicans from doing whatever they have wanted for the last 80 years.
So your opinion is that we ignore polls completely and stick our hands in the sand…
I’m scared shirtless.
This is clearly not The Good Place so you can say “shit.”
Well, you’re in the US, so it’s not your problem if they decide to nuke someone outside it or, say, greenlight an invasion. While I have some of my family and myself in a place theoretically attractive to nukes, and half of my other family in a country likely to be invaded. Fortunately the rest is distributed between USA and a country which, despite all the cries, is in no significant danger.
Sorry you in fear of invasion or nuking. I don’t mean to say those in the USA will have it the worst of this happens. There is Def safety in the imperial core.
I don’t feel the need to compete over who will have it worse, comrade. let’s just be on the same side instead🙂
MAD is very real and will happen if America launches nukes at anyone so I think every American should be worried about our government deciding to use them.
I’m not sure of that really working, hasn’t been tested after all. Shootouts on the streets don’t lead to everyone getting shot. So, say, US warns “everybody big” that they are nuking someplace, but don’t want to nuke anyone else. If “everybody big” are kinda fine with it, they won’t launch nukes in response. That means there’s a place nuked and no MAD.
I am sick of genocidal lunatics (both of them) and their enablers (you).
No one has said it in this thread, and there’s a lot of people talking about how they wish there was another option:
I’m voting for the Party for Socialism and Liberation and you can too!
They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to Israel.
There are many alternatives.
Pass electoral reform first IMO. Unless critical mass is achieved, we would be spoiling the election. This is why passing electoral reform is of utmost importance.
Democrats clearly understand the faults of First Past The Post voting. Go on any platform and suggest voting third party and the liberals will come in droves to explain the faults of the FPTP voting system.
Okay, you understand the voting system is flawed… then why do we still use FPTP voting? How can you explain these mathematical flaws to people considering voting third party and NOT do anything about the voting system? You don’t get to have both.
I don’t buy that. Both major parties, all the donors, the media, the lobbying groups and all the party machines in all fifty states are heavily invested the system we have.
I’m not gonna wait till we tip the whole system over to record a vote that actually represents my political positions.
If the two major parties are afraid of third party spoilers then they can adopt the platforms of those third parties.
Ok, then just be aware that when the pile of votes for 3rd party isn’t anywhere near either candidates pile your vote won’t matter. Biden and Trump will get the majority of votes and you will lose your chance to impact one of the most important elections in US history because of naive idealisms.
And neither party is afraid of the 3rd party, they use it. They take reasonable minded people who would never vote Republican and push them to 3rd party to weaken the Democrats votes. It’s exactly what they did with Bernie and how Trump won. They had massive turn out for the 3rd party that did absolutely nothing but split the Dems and allow the Republicans to be unified. A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Republicans, I know you don’t want to believe that reality but it’s true.
Being a Marxist in 2024 is clown shit as it is, but voting for Marxist-Leninist party in America is just baffling. The cherry on top is that the clown you’re planning to vote for has some mighty interesting policy proposals including:
- Seizing the 100 biggest corporations in the country
- Seize the agricultural and energy industries
- Repurpose the energy industry to generate exclusively renewable energy
- Expand the transportation system with all an electric fleet while no autoworker loses their job and millions of new, good paying jobs are going to be created
- Expand affirmative action discrimination
- Use the assets of the seized top 100 corporations as reparations for black people
- Cut the military budget by 90%
- Abolish NATO
- Support Russia against Ukraine and China against Taiwan
- Abolish AFRICOM specifically for some reason
- Abolish the CIA, NSA, and FBI
- Abolish the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Federal Reserve
- Expose all of the America’s state secrets
- End all American sanctions on dictatorships such as Russia, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, etc
- Help aid the destruction of Israel
- Going on purges to lock up the “corrupt elite”
- Cancel all debt
- Eliminate inflation with an “across the board price freeze”
- Ban evictions and cap rent at 10% of income
- Tax all income and assets over 10 million over 100%
- Ban ownership of overseas assets
It’s like a bad joke, except nobody is laughing. The fact that there are people out there who are so mind numbingly ignorant of economics, government, social politics, history, and geopolitics that they actually think this brain damaged list of policies is a good idea is just sad. Claudia de la Cruz is so bad that she is unironically worse than Trump, and you have to try really, really hard to be worse than Trump. Literally a turd is better than Trump, so for her to be worse is just… wow. Do better, come on.
