I mean I do care about it in the sense that I care about not wanting the US to become even more of a white supremacist Christian fascist imperialist genocidal autocracy than it already is. But I don’t see anything I can do about it that would be even remotely effective. And more than that I just don’t see anyone else who actually cares about it enough to even try to do something about it so what good is me “caring” even supposed to do?
Now I do see a lot of white liberals (and “progressives”, and even some white people who consider themselves leftists) panicking about it. But then when pressed about what is to be done to stop it, their solution is always, always, ALWAYS just “vote for (Genocide) Joe”, which tells me they don’t actually care about Project 2025, they just want to use it as a cudgel to get me to vote for the same ghouls who are blowing up Palestinians and who have let the spooky scary Republican Party get this powerful. But when I point out to them that they obviously don’t really care because they aren’t interested in addressing the roots of fascism or doing anything real to stop fascism, they get all indignant and upset at me, call my takes “disturbing”, “monstrous”, “privileged”, “psychotic”, and after getting that a bunch I do have to wonder if maybe I just have some massive blind spot and am getting this wrong. But they won’t tell me what is actually factually wrong about what I say.
Besides, what do they want me to do about it? They can’t seriously expect me to back a party that loves genocide, but they won’t suggest anything else.
Idk I just feel like the majority of people I see raising a fuss about Project 2025 and the threat of a “Trump dictatorship” are comfortable, privileged white liberals, usually white queer liberals, who have never had to worry about the government targeting their demographics until the last few years. I and every other queer poc I know is like, “oh, they’re going to go after me for another thing? Sure whatever, put it on the pile of other shit they throw at us, what’s one more? Now let’s get back to trying to stop the fascist Democratic Party from stealing money from our paychecks to bankroll a genocide against some of the actual most vulnerable and oppressed people in the world. If Project 2025 actually lands here we’ll fight that too, but we will NEVER throw away our solidarity with the wretched of the earth to preserve what comfort we do have.”
Please Hexbearians, tell it to me straight: Is Project 2025 something we actually need to pay attention to and if so what can we actually do about it? Or is the furor over it just a bunch of fragile white people panicking because they might finally be lumped in with the rest of us and finally get targeted for oppression too?
if democracy really was at stake, why are they running Biden?
Following this line of reasoning, Democrats have the same relation to Republicans who are gonna carry out Project 2025, as the state has to the police in charge of enforcing the law. They’re the ones that are even legitimizing the process in the first place, and there is no way that in any sane world Republicans could carry this out with a real opposition party.
I also don’t get how they can say “democracy is at stake” when the US isn’t even a democracy.
Because anyone who thinks they can be president is full of themselves. All of them, maybe besides Washington, maybe, have been massive narcissists. Occam’s Razor suggests democracy is at stake, but that they don’t think they will lose.
Voting against the assholes who support 2025 is the only way to stop it at this point. If the fascists win, the genocide expands and comes here as well.
Nah, you’ve pretty much got it. Dems are losing their shit but due to their ideological indoctrination they cannot see their own teams actions as crimes against humanity nor can they imagine any effective political action to resist or oppose the gop. The only political action that exists in their world is . When Dobbs was on the line not one of the tens of millions of them even tried to kill the scotus. Tens of millions of dems, none of them raised a single finger to protect their most beloved issue.
2025 is the same thing. They’re losing their shit, but the only solution they can conceive of is re-electing Brandon’s corpse then scolding the left when he continues to make everything worse for another four years. They cannot recognize that they lost this fight a decade or more ago when Obama refused to seat a scotus justice, rbg refused to resign, and the Dems allowed McConnell to seize total control of the federal judiciary.
They’re adherents of the American Civic Religion and all of their views and beliefs come through that lens. Their blind faith prevents them from recognizing the material and political realities of the situation. Which is to say, they’re worse than useless and are a defacto enemy as they crush any seed of effective resistance while diverting all resources to the collaborationist DNC.
Not much we can do now but try to survive and protect what and who we can. If you can get out of the us get out now. Get a passport, get residency, get a work visa, get a tourist visa, or just stow away somewhere and gtfo. Things are just going to keep getting worse here. If you can’t get out do what you can to strengthen your community.
They’re adherents of the American Civic Religion and all of their views and beliefs come through that lens. Their blind faith prevents them from recognizing the material and political realities of the situation. Which is to say, they’re worse than useless and are a defacto enemy as they crush any seed of effective resistance while diverting all resources to the collaborationist DNC.
Not much we can do now but try to survive and protect what and who we can.
Well said, thank you comrade.
What was that liberal tweet about how people would riot if Roe was overturned? It got so many retweets and shares. Riots should have happened, but when it came time to do it none of the liberals rioted.
I remember the milquetoast “progressive” Nathan J Robinson arguing that if Biden won he should stack the Supreme Court to fix it, since everyone could see the Republicans had cheated to capture the SC anyway. Even that was too extremist. The Democratic Party straight up does not want to win. What’s the point of voting them into power when they just turn around and hand all that power to the Republicans anyway for the sake of “bipartisanship” and “being the bigger people”?
I’m not leaving the USA though, shithole though it is it’s my home and my family have all moved here. I don’t want to go somewhere else. Fascism is on the rise all across the West and I don’t do well with extreme heat so the Global South is out.
When Dobbs was on the line not one of the tens of millions of them even tried to kill the scotus.
I also like to point out how afraid libs were when Trump was threatening to nuke the DPRK and possibly start WW3. Not a single lib thought to say “maybe we should strip the power away from a president to be able to do this sort of thing”. But libs would rather die in a nuclear winter than consider fundamentally altering power relationships in government.
When Dobbs was on the line not one of the tens of millions of them even tried to kill the scotus. Tens of millions of dems, none of them raised a single finger to protect their most beloved issue.
Biden could literally have them all assassinated now and solve that 100% legally. They do not want to help anyone
the one concerning aspect about it is that they can use it’s framework to come after sites like this one and queer discords – discord/reddit/twitter will probably ban queer content. I think the main thing to do is make sure they can’t actually target the site.
but like… it’s framework is so similar to the fugitive slave act that I just take it as one more indicator that a civil war is coming. real test for liberals is whether their party’s attorneys general cave to demands to extradite queer people. if they don’t grow a spine at that point, a lot of people are going to get hurt.
That’s it? That’s nothing! Online censorship is not the thing I fear, mass-murder is, and both parties have a history of mass-murder already
They’re working on the mass murder part. We’ve seen for years that what they want is to black bag leftist protesters and murder them extrajudicially. They want this to escalate so they can further consolidate power.
Project 2025 head says ‘second American Revolution’ will be ‘bloodless if the left allows’
can’t do much about the rest of it but the normal organizing that’s already ongoing.
edit: oh, I should clarify. they want to extradite people running/posting on sites that “promote queer ideology”. I’m referring to the dragnet.
Joke’s on them due to my family’s race and religion we’ve been on the deport list for years, it can’t get worse than that
Where the fuck would they try to send us, would they just parachute us into Tijuana or hand us over to Italy or Thailand, what’s their plan
I care about it in the sense that it is real and it is happening, and am doing things in my life and in my community to protect myself and my comrades as best I can.
I don’t care about it in the sense that it has been happening for like 70 years now in a slow and measured way, and that voting for a genocidal octogenarian with dementia will not do even one tiny thing to slow it down.
I care about it in the sense that it is real and it is happening, and am doing things in my life and in my community to protect myself and my comrades as best I can.
Yeah that’s the only thing I can think of to do, try to protect as many of us as possible locally and hope that everyone else everywhere else is trying to do the same. There’s no stopping this legally without Democratic support and the Democrats really act like they want it to happen.
I don’t care about it in the sense that it has been happening for like 70 years now in a slow and measured way
Yeah when libs bring up their Project 2025 boogeyman its always like it came out of nowhere. There’s never been a time in living memory where they haven’t been working toward this agenda - and the dems have never done anything real to stop this - but I’m sure if we hard this time, and we “go high,” or whatever bs libs are saying these days then dark brandon will save us
This has been my read. It’s the invisible minorities in my friend group, the bisexual white cis people in straight monogamous relationships, who seem most panicked over this possibility.
And like yeah, it’s awful, but do you really think you’re the one in danger now?
