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WTAF did they think was going to happen letting Israel act unchecked?

Launch attacks across borders and you fuck with sovereign territory and…checking notes… Those places have a right to defend themselves.

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Right, but it’s not really a matter of what did they expect from just standing idly by as Israel brazenly tried to provoke military responses fron Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran, since we’re in this bizarre post-truth timeline in which governments and corporate media just blithely pretend that none of that happened at all

All of the versions of this story that I’ve seen so far either pass over Israel’s provocations entirely, or try to bury them by just mentioning them in passing, in passive voice, and with no assignment of responsibility.

The stock phrase is “Iran vows retaliation after the killing of…”

The mid-phrase shift from active to passive voice is propaganda 101.

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13 points

Well stated.

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34 points

Israel wants the escalation

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Netanyahu especially in particular.

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Now if only US citizens are able to apply the same logic to guns…

“What did you think would happen by arming people to the point where there would be more guns than people in your country?”

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3 points

Oh god here’s the clown car of obsessed single issue voters.

Speaking of, where’s “fuckcars” to try and make war in the middle east about bicycles somehow?

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Lol bad take

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WTAF did they think was going to happen letting Israel act unchecked?

Yes, how dare they retaliate to events provoked by Iran? They are going about it terribly, but they were entirely in their rights to do something.

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Provoked by Iran? I think you should read some history dude. Nothing happens in vacuum and Israels occupation is the sole reason for 7. October. I do not agree with what Hamas did but thinking that anyone would just sit and watch their home be occupied is ignorant at best. The irony being that Israel funded Hamas. They can thank themselves for those deaths to be completely honest.

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"Israel funded Hamas” has to be one of the most backwards takes I’ve seen repeated here.

By that you mean that Israel eased restrictions according to an agreed upon schedule approved by international facilitators, allowed access to more construction materials, and issued more work and travel visas to Gazans. In other words, exactly the things that Palestinian people advocated for.

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Israels occupation is the sole reason for 7. October. I do not agree with what Hamas did but

What kind of abuser rationale is this? “Look what you made me do?” That twisted logic is exactly what Israel is using to justify their rampage at the moment. Killing innocent civilians is not OK, full stop.

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The year is 2057. Israel sits upon the ashes of the rest of the world. “If only they had stopped provoking us,” it whispers into the emptiness.

I guess that’s actually Israel’s wet dream.

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67 points

Someone check the pizza trackers around the Pentagon. If it’s busy, we are in trouble

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Reference

But I’ve read they have since mitigated the traceability of their pizza eating through various means.

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43 points

Someone finally got the green light on the pizza oven in the white house project they’ve been harrassing the budget committee about for five years.

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Man, I can only imagine how much specialized kitchen equipment the Whitehouse has been stocked with over time. I bet they can make fuckin’ anything

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The U.S. Pizza Industrial Complex solution would be to constantly have a high number of pizza orders being fulfilled by various vendors across the tri state area, filling vast salt mine vaults with a strategic pizza reserve, thereby hiding the signal amongst the noise.

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They absolutely have not, though. They just took down the one guy’s tracker site that went viral

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Tensions have been rising since early October, when Hamas launched a surprise assault on southern Israel, killing about 1,200 people and kidnapping about 250 others.

Israel’s subsequent war in Gaza has killed nearly 40,000 people

Hmmmm. Commensurate? Worth it?

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Keep in mind this is an undercount of Palestinian death.
I’ve heard counts well over 100,000.
Keep in mind that 67,000 of those deaths are women and children.

If that is their contribution to the world, Israel deserves no allies. Disarm them. Alienate them. Embargo them. Let them know what it’s like to go at it alone.

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Thats a casualty estimate, not a death toll. Although the Death Toll is absolutely too low an estimate, in part because Israel bombed out of existence the offices who administrate the counting.

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I did not know that, thank you.

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Yes, that includes injured and missing estimates.

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There is actually a word for that, “casualties.”

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To be fair, they’re discriminately bombing a place with a lot of children. I don’t think they’re specifically targeting women or children, they just kill everyone. Some might call it a genocide.

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That’s what we call a “proportionate response” here in the ol’ Murica land.

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Throwback to when a North Korean gun battery hit the USS Wisconsin with a single 155mm shot from a mountainside. It was the first and only time the ship had been hit from the shore. It hit some shielding, and caused little to no damage. In response, the warship turned all of her 16 inch guns on the mountainside, and obliterated it.

The USS Duncan, which was escorting the USS Wisconsin during their patrols, (and saw the hit and subsequent bombardment,) signaled “temper temper” before resuming patrols.

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4 points

WHAT mountain…?”

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That doesn’t seem that bad of a response to me, it’s a battery not a residential hillside.

Giving someone the idea they can just take practice shots at ships whenever they wants is idiotic.

If they drove by taking shots every day for the next 30 days and then started invading with land troops it would be more comparable.

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That’s not the only thing Hamas have done, there have been a few other incidents over the decades… And the only reason Hamas have not done to Israel what Israel are doing right now is because they don’t have enough guns. Honestly I’m just surprised it took Israel this long to do this.

I’m not saying what Israel is doing is right, far from it, I’m saying they’re both so far below the level of acceptably decent people!

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That’s also not the only thing Israel has done. And Hamas was kept in power over Palestinians due to the actions of Israel leaders including Netanyahu who once personally facilitated the groups funding.

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Yes they’re both fucking awful

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According to AP

The Qatari aid went to some 100,000 needy families and to pay the salaries of civil servants in the Hamas-run government.

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And the only reason Hamas have not done to Israel what Israel are doing right now is because they don’t have enough guns.

So you want to punish them for things they haven’t done?

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No, I’m just pointing out they’re both fucking awful

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You’re right. This was one major horrifying attack in October, but there have been many over the years.

I don’t pretend to know what is a correct response. Overall it’s horrible for everyone.

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So, no VP candidate announcement today? I hope this doesn’t delay it beyond tomorrow.

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they announced earlier that it would be announced Tues morning.

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Just let them

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Israel would use nukes if facing an existential threat.

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Yeah but no one in the middle east has the power to give Israel an existential threat.

Iran doesn’t want an offensive or escalation because it would be incredibly in favor of Israel who has the latest and greatest in warfare tech and the backing of the USA.

Biden is probably more worried that Israel is going to use Iran’s attack as justification for ramping up his offensive in Gaza, which will hurt his reputation even further.

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Iran doesn’t want an offensive or escalation because it would be incredibly in favor of Israel who has the latest and greatest in warfare tech and the backing of the USA.

Even before considering that, Iran does not border Israel and has several semi-hostile nations between it and Israel. Logistically, a full attack is just not possible for them.

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