As much as I like shitting on the US, I think all of the comments here are forgetting that this wouldn’t be a 1v3. It would be a world war. There would be no winners.
Yes, it would be cataclysmic. In the longer term though, I would argue that just about everyone on the planet would be a winner if the US empire were finally put down. You can’t really overstate how much of an impediment the US is to global human welfare and development.
okay, but the US is kiiiinda terrible, but if the US loses here then china/russia/iran win…
so its not like the US just goes away; the US is replaced by full autocratic
Uhhhh. Are you aware of just how happy the people of China are with their government? Harvard conducted a 15-year research project and found 95% of China approved of their government. I would LOVE to live in a place where we all felt like the government was actually doing we wanted to.
And to call it autocratic is just ridiculous. Autocracy is a very specific form of government. Every state you mentioned is a literal Republic.
There would be an immense toll, but it would mean the destruction of the US, Israel, NATO, and neoliberalism generally, which I think means there is also room for optimism. If I may gesture towards Mark Twain, there are two Reigns of Terror here, and though we have reason to fear the latter one, it will not last as long or kill as many as the former one that it puts an end to. If there is not a nuclear holocaust, anyway
If there is not a nuclear holocaust, anyway
That’s a pretty fucking big “if”
Bloodthirsty, insane, and suicidal
Americans love to role play at having a democracy, but when push comes to shove the public is never consulted about such monumental decisions like ending human civilization.
Wait sorry, Palantir saying this somehow reflects upon the US? Like I’m not saying that the US is good or bad but Palantir is definitely fucking bad
Honestly yeah, a fascist billionaire’s policy thinktank trying to help gin up a war is reflective of US policy, especially US government policy since they help write it.
We elect people to make decisions, that’s the whole concept behind representative government. We vote people in at the federal level who are supposed to protect us - it is one of their key responsibilities according to the constitution.
I understand that the concept of representative governance may be lost on people who have little say on those who govern them.
And just to be clear, no, ours is not a perfect system either. I’d prefer ranked choice to FPP voting, but even that has flaws.
That’s not really how it works, though. For example, who sold I vote for to stop the support for Israel? No one. Or who would I have voted for to stop the war in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008? No one. There are lots of things a majority of people favor but aren’t on the ballot because the rich determines what issues we can vote on and which ones we can’t.
We have the pretenses of a democracy, but it is scaffolded by money and private interests.
So you better buy that thing my company sells. To be safe .
I guess “The US will very likely end the world in nuclear hellfire” doesn’t roll of the tongue as well.
Well that sounds totally winnable.
By ourselves not easily. But such a war is World War III…everyone is getting involved.
Russia has already shown their military is subpar. Ukraine aid has still been quite limited in terms of how much of the more advanced stuff we’ve been willing to give them and ability to strike Russian targets. They’ve already got over 500,000 casualties not to mention equipment losses. They’re starting with a disadvantage regardless of how Ukraine turns out. Biggest issues from Russia-owned GOPers continuing to detract and otherwise make full support difficult as well as disinformation campaigns.
The middle east is difficult. Question of getting bogged down (as per usual) as well as nuclear concerns. With NATO support on one side and opposing Russia-China support the other. Israel would likely be the biggest ally here(it is a major reason they get military support from us) and already have advanced weaponry and of course genocidal rage. Something something about enemies and enemies.
China would be the most difficult issue if already engaged with Russia and Iran. Numbers and military quality are certainly a concern. All the outsourced manufacturing would also be a major headache, honestly not certain which side would be hurt more by that economically. That said many nearby countries would probably be willing to aid in small and large ways because of dislike of China. Furthermore their last major military engagement was in Vietnam 1979 with skirmishes until 1991. So 30-40y on most Chinese commanders and infantry don’t have actual battle experience. So question of quality and whether with allies we could stand up to their manpower and manufacturing capacity.
Not certain how much Africa would come into play as that’d be a real mess.
All in all, winnable or not would only be determined by actual battle. Major losses of life for all involved.
More than half of the world’s aircraft carriers including Russias drydocked one.
The largest airforce in the world is the US air force. The second largest is the US army. The fourth largest is the US navy.
There’s a lot to shit on the US for, the size and capability of our military ain’t it unless you’re talking about how it is too large.
We don’t have straight manned capacity (3rd to China and India respectively). However China and India don’t like one another and in fact just had a border clash not that long ago. So I’m including India against China, possibly Iran and neutral on Russia (with oil as a bargaining/diplomatic factor).
Every year the US alone has sent materiel to Ukraine that exceeds the annual total military budget of Russia which includes Russia’s strategic nuclear budget. Then add all of European aid. Russia has destroyed all of it while making its military larger and more efficient by expending mostly aging assets. At the same time it put down 3 separate attempts to open new fronts against it, including flushing out the insider threats in Wagner. At the same time it has deployed Wagner into Africa to provide support to other countries. And it absolutely is maintaining sufficient force to defend the homeland against a new threat should one emerge.
Just do the math, honey.
Also, the idea that anyone hates China more than America outside of Europe is a fucking hoot!
