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i mean, thats not surprising. both us parties support Israel no matter what.

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What on earth is the political advantage ?

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An unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle east to further the US’ imperial ambitions

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I asked myself the same thing. Lots of layers to that. A foothold in the middle east is among them. A lot more surprising are the radical Christians that somehow like the radical Jews. Also selling guns, and a few more cultural things too.

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I feel like there’s something bigger we’re missing. Both parties seem willing to gamble on losing the election over support for Israel, even now.

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Neither does Republican, right?

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Didn’t Trump say that Israel should just “finish the job”?

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I believe so, yes.

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What job is there to finish? Biden already flattened Gaza.

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2M people live in Gaza. The death toll according to the Gaza Health Ministry is nearly 41,000.

The point I’m trying to make is that given what Trump has said about Gaza and Palestine in general, what reason do we have to believe that 41,000 won’t turn into 410,000 under a Trump presidency?

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Nope, both want genocide. When do we start considering rejecting both entirely?

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Once we get representational voting instead of first past the post. As long as we have first past the post, we vote for the not fascist, then we work at a local level.

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So never, got it. Glad we can reconfirm that liberals will never actually push for change, just virtue signal and go to brunch until it’s time to vote again.

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They have that voting system in both Japan and Australia, doesn’t make a bit of difference, still capitalist dictatorships. Australia is also still carrying out their eviction of its indigenous peoples under that system, just like the US.

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The Wiemar Republic had a parliamentary system

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And I hate them for that… but funny enough I hate them less than the other idiots who want to dismantle my livelihood

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What would it take for you to reject both?

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Much like everyone else who shares that opinion, a viable third option that doesn’t throw the election to the right wing when you vote for it

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So, nothing. You may not like the status quo, but you’ll continue to let genocide happen because you can’t vote it out, got it.

Plus, the Democrats are also right-wing, just not as right-wing.

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Voting in elections is literally the least engagement you can possibly have with governance without it being none at all. It’s okay to “throw your vote away” if you are actually engaged. You make more of a difference in one day than any vote you cast makes.

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6 downvotes, 0 replies. If you disagree with this person, why not explain why?

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Haven’t downvoted anyone. Though also replied to none, as the reply about dropping both parties is sadly a pipe dream and didn’t need a reply, its essentially feeding whataboutism and just don’t care to engage.

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Genocidal fascists

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If Trump wins and implements a federal abortion ban that includes giving police the power to monitor any woman moving across state lines, I really wonder if people like this author will feel indifferent about not voting. I agree with many of the points she’s making but as much of an unpopular opinion it is among leftist spaces, I can’t say I’m a fan of those who choose not to vote in the next election.

What I really don’t understand about the author is that she’s seemingly making no distinction between the Republican plan for Israel/Palestine and the Democrats’ plan for Israel/Palestine. Dems are so far from perfect but good lord, are we really going to sit here and pretend that under a Trump presidency he wouldn’t just give Israel free reign to kill as many civilians as they want? And is this the part of the discussion where someone claims that Biden has already done that, and that it couldn’t get any worse?

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Why would a leftist who is registered democrat give a shit about Trump? She isn’t trying to pressure trump to do anything, she isn’t voting for trump, she never supported trump and Trump has nothing to do with her goals. Further why have you spent any time whatsoever thinking about trump? It’s been 4 years, 4 years of the party you nominally support enabling genocide and you can’t even do the barest minimum to stop them from supporting that genocide?

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