cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550
(posting to both communities)
A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”.
As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.
I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever.
I think @Rooki@lemmy.world owes an explanation and apology. It’s fine to be invested in animal welfare, but if one learns that one is factually incorrect, then admitting it openly is the mature and responsible thing to do.
We live in a day where a healthy diet can be fully synthesized, even for a human. I think the claim that a cat cannot flourish under one requires strict scrutiny and proper links to scientific articles demonstrating this finding.
edit: Because we do have evidence indicating such a diet is not harmful, so evidence that disputes this would need to exist.
https://www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52
edit2: Another thing that occured to me that may help shed light on this: Humans have to eat food in order to survive, yes?
No, actually. We can hook you up to an IV and keep you alive for as long as we need by pumping the necessary nutrients directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your digestive tract altogether. We call this intravenous feeding.
I had to be on IV feeding for a month last year and it felt like I was starving because I wasn’t getting any calories. I lost 20 kg in 2 weeks, despite the fact I was confined to a bed 24 hours.
My cousin is a vet. She’s a vegan. Her cat is not nor would she ever make her cat a vegan. It just isn’t good for cats.
Sorry for all the hate your getting because some people’s brains are programmed to think vegan=bad. Sounds like a major overstep by admins.
They’re not being downvoted for their veganism, they’re being downvoted for their defence of animal abuse.
(Same reason the lemmy.world admin seems to have taken these actions; as much as I despise lemmy.world admins and their attempts to bring everything bad from reddit to lemmy, in this particular case they seem to have been in the right, if maybe excessively hamfisted as they tend to be).
Feed your pets their fucking meat for God’s sake.
Meat is not required for pets as there is enough studies to suggest this conclusion. 1 billion people are employed in animal agriculture so there is a strong conflict of interest occurring here.
Cats are obligate carnivores. If they don’t eat meat, they will get sick and die. This doesn’t apply to dogs.
Veganism is valid, but it does conflict with some pet ownership.
If cats do not consume taurine they will die. This does not mean they need meat.
Yes, veganism sees “pets” as companion animals.
Meat is not required for pets as there is enough studies to suggest this conclusion.
Bold claims require bold evidence. Natural meat eaters should naturally eat meat. To say otherwise requires a loooot of evidence.
Would an analysis of all current research be enough evidence? They conclude that there is no significant difference of cat heath when fed a nutritionally sufficient vegan diet.
The vegan diet we are talking about isn’t a bunch of vegetables, it’s a manufactured dry food specifically designed to have all the nutrients a cat needs.
The obsession with “natural diet” is bizarre in the first place. Are you feeding your cat small songbirds and mice, or are you feeding them dry food made with meat they never would be ankle to hunt for in the wild?
This is a contentious issue for most people, and it can be hard when you are very passionate about something to look at the evidence and change your opinion. I’ve looked at a decent number of studies on the topic recently, and they all seen to point to the conclusion that a diet without meat can be healthy for cats, so long as it contains all the nutrients they need.
Was this some dumbass saying dogs and cats can be fine with a vegan diet? Because that is 100% Grade A bullshit and the admin’s actions were justified.
Dogs can survive and thrive on a vegan diet, as long as it’s fairly carefully tailored; dogs are not obligate carnivores, and the essential amino acids that they can’t make themselves are available from non-animal sources.
Cats are obligate carnivores; the only natural source for at least one essential amino acid they need is meat. (I’m not sure which amino acid(s) it is, off the top of my head. Taurine? Lysine? Something else?) In theory you could heavily supplement a cat that was on a vegan diet and not kill it, but given that bioavailability of supplements isn’t the same as that of whole foods, I wouldn’t bet a life on it.
Please do not use ad hominems in your argument as we need to keep the discussion civil.
There are numerous studies suggesting that the plant-based diet is safe for dogs.
However for cats there are less studies, there are papers that suggest it is also safe for cats as long as taurine is provided in the diet.
It’s so funny that they’re the largest instance. Only see incredible decisions coming out of there.
I actually agree in general, but this is like the one time in recent memory I have felt like whole heartedly cheering on the Lemmy.world administration team
If some other instance wants to scoop up the animal abuse demographic now that they are ejected from .world, I think we will all survive
Ah yes, its the people that are against harming animals that are the real animal abusers.
Feeding an animal a nutrionally complete diet: abuse
killing animals: not abuse
If some other instance wants to scoop up the animal abuse demographic now that they are ejected from .world, I think we will all survive
That is misrepresenting the situations as vegans are the ones reducing animal abuse by not buying animals products and for holding those who do accountable.
A philosophy that should not be forced on another animal against their nature.
There’s some hypocrisy here!
