141 points

What is “feminist propaganda” and what would COVID-19 have anything to do with the game? What would either of those have to do with the game? Isn’t it based on the legend of the monkey king? Are they afraid they’ll make a meme of him spreading COVID to kill his enemies or something?

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In the conspiracy theories groups China is a hot topic, and I believe this is them telling influencers (who they give a free copy) to stick to the game instead of talking about the country they happen to live in. And I would assume if people stuck to the game few of these topics would be relevant.

Now if an influencer had an issue with say, allegations misogyny at the studio, I would expect them to -

  1. not accept the game from the studio

  2. maybe create content on why they refused the offer of a free game and things they think would need to change to allow them to work with the studio in the future.

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5 points

You would have thought that by now they would have realized that explicitly banning people from talking about a subject is basically a method to guarantee that they do.

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51 points

It’s a Chinese game developer. These are the things they’re sensitive to. COVID started in China and I guess feminist is a big fucking red flag for women in China?

Hehe, red flag, China…

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26 points

It’s a Chinese game developer. These are the things they’re sensitive to. COVID started in China and I guess feminist is a big fucking red flag for women in China?

The Black Myth: Wukong sexism controversy stems from employee reports that developers at Game Science have been making sexist comments for many years, and there’s a suggestion the company doesn’t want women playing its games.

https://dotesports.com/black-myth-wukong/news/black-myth-wukong-developer-controversy-explained

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I wonder if any of this has been corroborated. I feel more conflicted about this kind of stuff recently because for every one asshole saying awful shit there are hundreds of other people that poured years of their life into making a game like this.

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6 points

It’s Chinese developer so I wouldn’t be that surprised that their sexist it just seems to be a very common viewpoint in China.

They obviously know it’s unacceptable because they don’t want to be brought up on it. But rather than improved they’re just going to ban discussion of it or at least try to it won’t work of course. We’re talking about it after all.

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120 points

The dev has a storied past[1] of sexism and misogyny, so this shouldn’t come as a surprise. The COVID stuff is amusing but unsurprising considering it’s a Chinese studio.


  1. 1 ↩︎

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Reading through that made me feel gross. It does seem to be acknowledged by women in China as a cultural issue (as well as globally online).

Sexism is, and continues to be, a global problem. But the difference, as both Zhong and Monica F. pointed out, is that the Chinese government and overall cultural attitudes continue to actively discourage women and their allies from fighting back. There’s no one telling harassers “no.”

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15 points

This feels like the second round of this going around as the AI articles / lazy sites pick it up.

It’s a doc ‘sent’ to one guy who had 12 followers on medium before this started blowing up. It was edited after it was sent out to be the real marketing email of the company instead of a gmail address. The doc is still owned by that gmail account, which isn’t typically how companies operate.

I guess they’re getting their viral moment so good for them for generating content?

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94 points

Funny how quickly free speech drops dead whenever right-wing snowflakes get involved.

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11 points

I didn’t realize they even had freedom of speech in China.

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-3 points

Right wing Chinese communists you mean? Good one…

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4 points

What’s funny is anyone thinking Chinese government has anything to do with communism.

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It’s just fascism at this point mascarading as communism. Rather like Russia in that regard.

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0 points

China has plenty of right wingers and social conservatives living there. They just can’t organize for their beliefs outside of the existing political structures.

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70 points

Hahahaha, wow, what a bunch of wet noodles. If you don’t want negative discourse, maybe don’t be misogynistic. Or don’t publish your work in countries where free speech and personal freedoms are more abundant. No one is forcing you to publish here, so please keep your demands in your pants. Pffft, I was really interested in this game, now it’s such an easy pass!

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8 points

Out of curiosity, since I’m out of the loop, what is the misogynistic discourse around the game or studio? Is it based on themes of the books/mythology the game is based on? Or is it some other thing the devs went too far with eastern culture wise?

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10 points

I read some articles from 2020 that touched on the culture @ Game Science, but it doesn’t even really matter. It’s just the way they single out stuff that feels really put of touch, pretty (ignorant) boomer attitude. I’ve only heard the word “feminist propaganda” from folks who are misogynistic, it’s not something I associate with caring about inequality. Can you imagine being a woman influencer that got this message? I would think 3 times before partnering up with a party that gave me this dos and don’t list.

It’s probably something that can be attributed to cultural differences, but that doesn’t mean that much to me. You move in a culture, but you are still responsible for you actions and words.

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2 points

Thank you. I mainly wanted to know what the talking points are so I can have effective conversations with the people around. This one semi popped out of nowhere for me and I felt I missed something.

Agreed, the term “feminist propaganda” alone here is enough to make me question the studio/publisher leadership group.

@Chee_Koala, I’ve read your other comment on this post and I agree with you. Going to pass on the game. It’s the reality of today. If we want things to improve we have to vote with our democratic right to vote if we have it or we vote with our money. This type of topic pops up a lot in media, big tech and most other large companies that somewhat dominate an industry. There are enough options out there where we can’t always make the perfect moral decision, but we can at least try to choose on the lesser of many evils in our shopping and media consumption based on the information we have.

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-14 points

The game is insane. You are just missing out.

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19 points

Thanks a lot, I can imagine! It’s moot for me, sadly. Google maps is amazing too but I’m not on board with choices they are making so, can’t use that either. There’s enough games to take my mind of of missing this title. Have fun though!

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Understandable but none of the claims against the company have any ground. All of them anonymous and yet to mean something.

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50 points

The guidelines are also likely in place to avoid mention of previous reports of misogyny at the studio. Posts from Game Science CEO Féng Jì including sexualised and misogynistic language were reported on in 2020, while IGN also reported on the studio’s history with sexism.

Lol, a Streisand effect here.

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