If you thought that Microsoft was done with Recall after its catastrophic reveal as the main feature of Copilot+ PCs, you are mistaken.

Microsoft wants to bring it back this October 2024. Good news is that the company plans to introduce it in test builds of the Windows 11 operating system in October. In other words: do not expect the feature to hit stable Windows 11 PCs before 2025 at the earliest.

While Recall may have sounded great on paper and on work-related PCs, users and experts alike expressed concern. Users expressed fears that malware could steal Recall data to know exactly what they did in the past couple of months.

Others did not trust Microsoft to keep the data secure. We suggested to make Recall opt-in, instead of opt-out, to make sure that users knew what they were getting into when enabling it.

Microsoft pulled the Recall feature shortly after its announcement and published information about its future in June. There, Microsoft said that it would make Recall opt-in by default. It also wanted to improve security by enrolling in Windows Hello and other features.

101 points

Who thought they were abandoning it?

I doubt they secured it particularly well either, because the nature of proper security is building it from the ground up with security as a core principle, but it was always coming back.

They delayed because “oh shit, people noticed we didn’t even bother with security theater” and to let the backlash die down. They still consider it a major selling point.

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43 points

By the comments I’ve seen, it seems like no one read their previous announcement where they said they were delaying the feature while they continued work on it. We already knew they were still going to ship it.

Just having it disabled by default is a massive improvement. It’s crazy that they initially considered releasing it with no encryption and it on by default.

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10 points

It’s less bad for sure. And I can understand, theoretically, the value of “that one think I saw that one time”. I’ve definitely spent way longer than I’d want looking for some random reference I’d seen in the past, and I’m in the process of trying to catalogue all the references in my past nonfiction reading after the fact, and it’s definitely a lot of work.

But man, other users on your PC could trivially see everything you did on your system unless you used the dumpster fire that’s edge in private browsing mode, and the people on the project thought that was OK. There’s no way people with that level of lack of awareness managed to adapt the project to not be a sieve.

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15 points

They did abandon it but it backed itself up

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197 points

Yet another reminder that alternatives, where your privacy is not for sale, and your hardware belongs to you, actually exist in 2024

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52 points

it’s for corporations to deploy on all their worker drones’ workstations

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29 points

I wish they would do a much better job of distinguishing corporate workstation versions of Windows and Home versions of Windows. Put all this MS ecosystem garbage on the workstation version, and make the Home version a stripped down to the essentials OS. Which is what most of us try to do with tools like ShutUp10, anyway.

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16 points

i’ll do you one better: all PCs at my job are running win10 LTSC, which was meant for specific use cases like running neon signs and shit

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31 points

Ironically, in reality it’s the exact opposite. The home version is pumped to the brim with this dogshit, while the Enterprise version is stripped to the bare necessities. They likely know that other corporations have the balls to sue them for all kinds of reasons

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21 points

I get ads on my workstation. Its fun. I cant remove them without getting permission from the IT department. Meanwhile my home computers have no ads at all.

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11 points

Agreed - if I were evil, I would use this data to look for long periods of static/unchanging desktop screenshots to look for inactivity and employees lying about being there or away.

Honestly this is just an arms race. If the above happens (and if I can come up with that use case think about what will come up when someone actually smart thinks about it.)

The response? I’d make a tool that presses alt-tab every 15 seconds a random number of times - to both keep the computer alive and change the desktop view, maybe move the windows around a bit for variety. A usb rubber ducky would be perfect for this.

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2 points

Agreed. But if big brother really wants, they can detect a weird program running, a weird hardware being on it, or just that someone is tabbing around without actually doing something.

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15 points

How long before there’s a discovery request for all recall data for a time period and companies start screaming about the risks with recall?

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companies start screaming about the risks with recall?

this comment veers pretty close to implying that upper and middle management know a single goddamn thing about tech or cybersecurity OR that they listen to their IT guys

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What do you recommend? What is the most Apple-like+MacBook like?

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13 points

Framework

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3 points

Which OS to go with it?

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2 points

You can fix it instead of buying a new one, it’s not like Apple

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10 points

Elementary is a very polished and user friendly linux distribution designed to familiar to MacOS users.

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With the slightly massive caveat that you can’t upgrade to newer versions without a nuke and pave.

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A lot of the laptops made by Huawei and Xiaomi are MacBook-like in design at least. Framework is much more repairable though as are business laptops from HP or Dell. Dell in particular has made some quite long battery life laptops in the past like the Latitude 7410 and 7400, though those aren’t particularly new they are at least cheap when bought second hand.

In terms of OS you got to go with some Linux flavor as they offer various DEs some of which are mac like. Obviously macOS and Linux terminals are somewhat similar anyway. PopOS is a great option.

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6 points

I would not, in good conscience, ever recommend a Dell machine to anyone anymore. Not only the design and build quality have gone down catastrophically, but Dell would take literally every opportunity they have to fuck you over.

XPS machines in particular have a solid history of being good on paper, but a nightmare, once you ever need to contact them about issues

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5 points

Zorin is a Ubuntu-derived distro that has multiple desktop managers built in, including one that mimics macOS.

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4 points

Ubuntu or Pop OS use GNOME by default which is similar to macOS

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Pop!_OS won’t use GNOME for much longer. They’re currently developing their own desktop called COSMIC.

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7 points

Any decent laptop for hardware. ElementaryOS for the OS, if you really want the look/feel of macos.

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Roger

Edit: its beautiful, is it well-maintained? Do you use it?

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That’s a really good summary of the degradation of software throughout time and the path to recreate software for the people. Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks - I love that video and I share it all the time. It gets across the whole idea of why Free (libre) software is important without preaching, and (as you point out) with a reminder that it wasn’t always this way.

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Not until Linux comes pre-deployed on gaming laptops for sale. That’s my market.

Before you ask, I don’t have the know-how to boot into Linux, and I need the portability of a laptop. As well as enjoying gaming to an extent. Pretty niche.

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We already have the Steam deck, and SteamOS just got official support for third-party hardware. I don’t think it will take that long until we see gaming laptops or mini PCs preloaded with SteamOS.

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2 points

Yeah, that would work I guess.

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33 points

Their feature may come back to their OS but their OS isn’t coming back to my hardware.

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51 points

MS: Here’s a cool new feature!
Users: That is spyware bullshit, fuck off!
MS: But muh ecosystem!
Users: Nobody fucking wants any of that. Now STFU and run my games, grandpa.
MS: sniffs This isn’t over, you little shits.

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15 points

Of course it is coming back.

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8 points

It will keep coming until plebs accept parasite.

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