Blue No Matter Who: Vote like you life depends on it our whole entire world will die without a dem vote. Trump: November 5th (American election day) is the most pivotal OP: OMG TRUMP IS A TERRORIST, be very afraid!
This is reductionist, and ignoring the fact that trump is indeed, a domestic terrorist, regardless of whether or not the media has the balls to label him as such.
He has instigated an attempted coup, that failed, but only because they weren’t prepared or organized, not for lack of actually performing the coup.
And Nov 5th is the date Guy Fawkes attempted to blow up the English parliament, so I think the OP has reason to post the similarities here.
Downplaying trump’s ongoing domestic terrorism and violent rhetoric against his fellow Americans is just bolstering the fascist gameplan here.
Idk what country you reside in, but mine (USA) was founded on being rogue, our independence was funded by robbing banks. The current system does not help, I haven’t met an actual Biden or Harris Supporter, it literally is only “fuck trump” support. You think you are making a stand against him, but the really sad part is for most USA people Biden failed so hard Trump is looking like a savior (I vote Chase Oliver). Meanwhile the media brainwashed you to call Americans terrorists for exercising their right to protest, literally the most American of rights 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅
You are falling victim to isolationism and siloed beliefs. You believe because you personally haven’t seen or talked to anyone in the last 5 weeks who supports Harris, that they either don’t exist, or are exaggerated by the media.
Well, I’m a Harris supporter. All of my friends are. Everyone I’ve met in the last 20 days from plumbers to electricians to waiters have been Harris supporters.
So now what do you do with that data?
I can be both a Harris supporter, and a “fuck trump” person. They are not mutually exclusive.
You appear to be falling into one logical fallacy after another here.
Your whole pitch seems to be that think you’re patriotic for supporting an openly fascist party overthrowing our current democratic republic because one time, hundreds of years ago, we overthrew another monarchical/oligarchy government and established our current democratic republic?
Are you even listening to your arguments, or are you just spouting whatever right wing rhetoric you picked up on the latest red pilled youtube video? Because it sounds like you’re supporting a fascist dictatorship in the name of “free speech”. I cannot even begin to tell you the number of things wrong with that viewpoint, mostly because I’ve got other things to do today and I get the feeling that you’re mostly trolling. At least I hope. Either way, you’re not worth any more of my time.
Sure, we have the right to peacefully protest. January 6th wasn’t that. That was domestic terrorism. Notice how those people are getting actual prison sentences, versus the college encampment protesters who are all being released with out charges. People don’t die during a peaceful protest
The likes of Trump shows that America might be losing grip on it’s position as a world leader. It won’t though, if not only for the ridiculous military budget. But economically that place is increasingly moving towards Asia (particularly China). To remain at the top though, you need to have a stable political system. It doesn’t even need to be democratic, but a coup (or civil war even) is definitely not a stable situation. So, Trump is definitely not “making America great again”. It takes a lot to be actually thrown from the top, but other nations are slowly losing bits of respect or regard for America. Especially during the previous Trump term.
Agreed. We don’t have another “oops, we fucked up in who we elected to lead the most powerful nation in human history that could literally, not figuratively, wipe all of humanity off the map if he felt like it after a round of golf”, in us that the rest of the world will forgive us for.
The fact that trump was ever elected, and has been close to re-elected, and is still going for a third attempt, is highlighting that a non-trivial number of Americans are willing to bring the system, and the world to its knees, purely because they feel disenfranchised for not getting the leg up they assume they would because of their skin color or family history supporting succession in the south.
No, and screw you for being so reductionist.
Yes, Trump absolutely sucks, but so does Biden and Harris, and I voted for Biden last time around. I think the FUD around Trump is a quite overblown (he’s dangerous, but not in a fascist sense, but in a stupid policy sense), and I refuse to join in. There’s no way I’m voting for him, but I also disagree that he’s a terrorist or that this election is any different from 2016 or 2020. He’s not going to pass pretty much anything in Project 2025, and while the Supreme Court does lean strongly conservative, they’re not going to let him get away with the worst of his plans, if he actually follows through (which I highly doubt he will).
If you live in a battleground state (this year, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin), then do whatever strategic voting you need to do. But if you live anywhere else in the country, voting your conscience will have a much bigger impact even if your candidate only gets a few percent of the vote (or less). Just like in 2016 and 2020, both candidates royally suck, and we need to signal to both parties that neither option is acceptable. But one of those two will win, so that’s why battleground state votes are so important, but the rest of the country is so incredibly unlikely to switch from how they’ve voted in the past that there’s almost zero risk that your vote for an independent or third party candidate will change the outcome of the election in your area.
I’m not voting for either major party candidate because it’s all but guaranteed that my state will vote the same way they have in the last 20+ years, with a >10% vote difference (probably closer to 20%). I find a lot more value in voting my conscience than throwing my vote away for a major party candidate when the outcome is all but decided for my state.
I’m Australian, and it’s not overblown
He’s already acknowledging he plans to go full dictatorship. He’s already starting with the “crooked, leftist” stuff.
What he’s saying and doing are literally parts of the dictator handbook and if he wins, there are severe consequences worldwide (a return to bigotry and empowerment of bullies)
The difference this time over last time is that losing the election ruins the rest of his life, so he has everything to gain by sowing chaos. If he can delay the count even, it’s hugely beneficial for him.
You have politicians internationally, his ex staff, ex Australian pm and even a right wing ex attorney general from Australia warning of how dangerous he is.
Russia gains through his win too because if he wins, then Trump will stop helping Ukraine most likely, which is possibly why we’re seeing so much manipulation online basically discouraging left wing people voting
He’s already acknowledging he plans to go full dictatorship. He’s already starting with the “crooked, leftist” stuff.
But he’s not. He’s a populist and a narcissist, but not an authoritarian. He said he’d “drain the swamp” in 2016, but he didn’t do much of anything regarding that during his presidency, he was much more concerned with cutting taxes and raising tariffs (i.e. things to make him seem like a good negotiator).
What he’s saying and doing are literally parts of the dictator handbook
Can you provide examples? Because what he says and what he does are two completely different things. He says whatever will get him attention, but what he actually does is usually quite tame.
losing the election ruins the rest of his life
That’s a bit hyperbolic. If he loses, most of the lawsuits will just go away because he’s rich and no longer a threat. He may get blocked from SM for a few years by court order and perhaps banned from running again, but he’ll be too old anyway to care. He has enough assets and influence that he’s not going to get significantly hurt financially, he can always file another bankruptcy if he gets into trouble.
If he wins, he’ll probably be soft on Russia and reduce aid to Ukraine, rattle some sabers at NATO to get people to contribute more, and continue Biden’s tariffs against China. He’ll probably also make some inflammatory “culture war” statements and whatnot, but not pass any bill of significance. That’s basically what he did in 2016, and that’s what he’ll do this time around.
So, here’s my prediction of the net results of a Trump win:
- less aid to Ukraine, resulting in a surrender of some territory and an agreement to not join NATO
- renewal of the TCJA, so more deficit spending
- “trade war” nonsense w/ China, which will cause inflation, which he’ll blame on Biden somehow
- some more deregulation, and perhaps a change of leadership in the FTC
- more strict border protections
That’s bad, but it’s hardly “fascist.”
And here’s my prediction if Harris wins:
- no change in aid to Ukraine, resulting in the war being drawn out a few more years
- TCJA expires and we go back to 2017 tax law
- “trade war” nonsense w/ China, but less severe than w/ Trump; not sure about inflation, but it’ll slow down economic growth
- some token spending bill that’ll leave us about on par w/ regards to deficit spending as we are now
- more strict border protections, but perhaps less name-calling than w/ Trump
Both will probably suck as presidents, but Harris may piss off fewer countries because she seems to know how to communicate respect.
discouraging left wing people voting
I don’t know if Russia is doing it, I think it’s just Trump trolls.
Please, go out and vote. All I’m saying is that if you’re not in a swing state, vote for the candidate you like best, which may or may not be one of the two major party candidates. If you live in a red state or blue state, voting for the minority party won’t change the outcome of the election, so you might as well vote for a third party or independent to signal to the DNC and RNC that the two options aren’t what you want. If you live in a swing state, vote for one of the two major party candidates because your vote could actually determine the outcome of the election.
Trump completely sucks, but voting for Harris won’t do anything if you live in a blue or red state, all it does is add to the popular vote, which means absolutely nothing. If you actually want your vote to mean something and your state is definitely going to vote for one or the other, vote for someone else to show displeasure with the options this year.
But whatever you do, go out and vote.
There’s no way I’m voting for him, but I also disagree that he’s a terrorist or that this election is any different from 2016 or 2020. He’s not going to pass pretty much anything in Project 2025, and while the Supreme Court does lean strongly conservative, they’re not going to let him get away with the worst of his plans, if he actually follows through (which I highly doubt he will).
If you haven’t, you should read some history books from the POV of people who lived through the early to late 1930’s in Germany. Erik Larson does one from the POV of the US ambassador to Germany during that time, called “In the Garden of Beasts”.
Almost word for word, (with the non-relevant bits swapped around), exactly what Germans were saying about Hitler during that time. Nobody thought Hitler would do or go as far as the media and “alarmists” were signalling, and anyone who called it what it was, a plan to force Germany into a war rather than pay down their debt from WWI, along with the attempted extinction of anyone they classified as “undesirables” (started with Jews, and moved on to many other groups. Replace “jew” with “trans” and the similarities are nearly impossible to ignore); was flagged as being hyperbolic and out of touch and exaggerating what the Nazi party and Hitler were “Really” trying to achieve, or what Chancellor Hindenburg could prevent him from doing to keep his power in check.
Obviously everyone who thought the threat wasn’t real or being overblown was wrong. But it took years and years for them to be proven wrong. At every single step along the way, were groups of people saying “This time, this is the check to the Nazi/Hitler power struggle that will work and keep them in check”.
There is absolutely no reason that couldn’t happen again somewhere else. Assuming that there was something deeply wrong/broken with Germany that led to the rise of Nazism is the height of folly. It can, and is happening here, just as it’s been attempted in other countries since WW2 ended.
Do I like the fact that my choices are:
- Vote for a democratic party that keeps shifting more and more towards the right/center without gaining anything progressive in response OR
- Vote for a literal wannabe dictator who can and will give rise to a fascist party in America and hand the most powerful military in the history of humanity over to a certifiable narcissistic wannabe dictator who has literally, not figuratively, done and said everything up to and including “I will be dictator on day one in the office”, has never walked it back, and has never treated it as a joke, has already attempted one coup, refuses to believe in the democratic process (see disputing the 2020 election despite no proof) and has all the hallmarks of the next generation Hitler, including literally repeating parts of Hitler’s speeches as a part of his speeches.
I’m not super happy with option A, because I would like to see more change here, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to let option B happen.
Whether or not you believe that option B is a real threat, like everyone else in the world and most Americans currently believe, doesn’t matter to me. You being wrong about this doesn’t make me more right. And you are wrong about your views of trump and what he’s trying to have happen. But it’s unlikely any amount of evidence or historical context will convince you, so I’m not entirely sure why I’m typing this up, except in the hopes that someone else comes along and reads it and maybe it sways them towards acknowledging how great of a threat trump and the current republican party poses to the idea of a free and fair world.
I think you’ve been reading/watching a bit too much leftist media.
First of all, if you live in one of the 43 states that aren’t battleground states, who you vote for will not impact the election at all. That’s my point. If you live in one of those states (and statistically speaking, you probably do), you can safely vote for your preferred candidate without any worry about changing the outcome of the election. That is my main point here. Whether Trump or Harris wins the popular vote does not matter, only the Electoral College matters, and unless you think your state has a reasonable chance of flipping (i.e. if it’s one of those 7 battleground states), you might as well signal to the major parties your preference. Maybe they’ll look at that data for the next election, idk, but voting for one of the two major parties just signals that the choices are acceptable.
If you do live in one of those 7 battleground states, then you probably should vote for one of the two major parties, because every vote there counts.
That’s the core of my argument here.
I could go through and show how a lot of Trump’s statements have been taken out of context, or give examples of similar statements he made in 2016 and his complete lack of action during his presidency, but at the end of the day, I still think he’s an absolutely terrible candidate and is unfit for office. I don’t think he’s a fascist though, I think he’s just a self-centered man-child who craves public attention. He does court fascists though, because he wants them to support him so he wins, but I don’t think he actually wants what they want. He’s also really old, so he’s far more interested in leaving a legacy than taking power for himself. But none of that’s relevant because I agree with the underlying message, “DON’T VOTE FOR TRUMP,” I just disagree with the reasoning (i.e. name-calling like “fascist” or “Nazi” or whatever). He’s certainly dangerous, but not because he wants to subjugate minorities, but because he’s largely incompetent.
But don’t get distracted by any of that, I agree with the sentiment, I just disagree with the rhetoric. That kind of rhetoric just puts people on the defensive and strengthens their support of Trump, it does absolutely nothing to change anyone’s mind.
I mean yea? It’s election day for an election that I think both sides consider pretty important. Granted, that’s a bit of hyperbole, but this is a far cry from a call to violence. Harris could say the exact same thing, in fact she’s likely has said something similar.
Saying this is a threat isn’t just an overreaction, it’s downright embarrassing. This is the kind of crap the right shares to try and paint Dems as weak, thin-skinned, idiots.
Trump says so much awful shit that warrants this reaction, but not EVERYTHING does FFS.
Yes… November 5th is the gunpowder plot anniversary made famous (again in NA by the movie V For Vendetta)
Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason
Why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'twas his intent
To blow up the King and the Parliament
Three score barrels of powder below
Poor old England to overthrow
By God’s providence he was catch’d
With a dark lantern and burning match
Holler boys, holler boys, let the bells ring
Holler boys, holler boys
God save the King!
Finally. The brits burned down the White House, it’s about time they get some retaliation. And he may be immune in the US, but not in the UK, so we could solve two problems at the same time.
The FBI do not care about you at all.
Shut the fuck up. That kind of language is how Stephen Fry gets killed.
