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“I must preserve my echo chamber!”

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It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.

As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it’s a good thing that there’s an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.

At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.

It’s largely context dependent.

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I mean, “bad” in this case is completely subjective. There are large trans communities on other instances (blahaj being the most obvious one) and they have their reasons for defederating from Hexbear.

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Well that’s definitely your own experience on federated platforms, but I wasn’t speaking to that circumstance. I made a mastodon account and criticized our government’s massive funding of Israel in spite of our lack of critical infrastructure and healthcare and got spammed with “Israel has a right to defend itself, and you 're a trumper if you think otherwise” type comments by people that post one response and then immediately block you. Which is laughable and couldn’t be further from the truth. That is the perpetual echo chamber I was referring to from my personal experience.

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Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers

Could be, especially if there aren’t a multitude of sentiments there. That doesn’t mean all sentiments must be present of course.

Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time

I don’t think anyone said they aren’t allowed to have such a space.

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You’re in an echo chamber if you curate your home feed to only show one opinion and then never change it; it doesn’t matter what the opinion is

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I’d like to come to your house and take a shit in your bed.

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There’s moderation and there’s making it into an echo chamber. Seems like a difference many don’t understand.

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seems like nitpicking to me.

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Hope you get the help you need 🙏

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Just bring TP, not Hope.

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HOW DARE YOU HAVE A MODERATELY DISSENTING VOICE, YOU LITERAL NAZI?!?!

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Oh literal Nazis can get fucked. My point is that you can disagree on topics and that health discourse is good

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It’s ironically more about certain instances creating echo chambers through constant censorship.

Imagine an instance full of Nazi’s that only ever let’s Nazi posts stick. Is this if any value, or would defederating improve the quality of your experience?

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You’re talking about Exploding Heads, which has been defederated by pretty much everybody.

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Lemmy.ml is federated with the vast majority of major instances, moreso than others like Lemmy.world. What are you trying to say?

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Still doesn’t make sense, Lemmy.ml doesn’t constantly threaten to defederate from other instances over political reasons

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Might be good to add an /s, considering how common that is on the anti-communist servers.

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Most people don’t even realise that lemmy.ml is a communist server. It isn’t particularly advertised anywhere. The banner just says “for privacy and FOSS enthousiasts”

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Except it wasn’t sarcastic

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yunno, on second thought, maybe i don’t want to be using a social platform where communism is the default stance

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If you love Capitalism and Liberalism I know just the platform for you: Reddit.com

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The structure of Lemmy itself is built on Communist principles, you’re going to have Communists even if you try to block Communist instances.

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It isn’t, but don’t let that stop you from leaving.

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we could defederate i guess

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Yeah but not by a user from ml

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Why would someone who doesn’t like blocking and de-federation like “federated platforms”?

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Yeah part of the point of this is that it’s not a free speech zone unless you want a free speech instance. I prefer a more curated against bigots experience. Others don’t. Still others prefer other forms of curation. Federation means we can all talk to each other as long as we stay within boundaries of what others will stay federated with.

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Exactly, it also means we can have different regions for different types of conversations, much like in the real world.

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free speech also applies to lemmy servers. If the server doesn’t agree with most of what’s on your server, they can and should have the option to not associate with your server at all. This honestly sounds like a shit take elon would have made.

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I defederated lemmy.world because I don’t feel like hosting and re transmitting US propaganda.

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It is kinda surprising how much obvious propaganda makes it onto Lemmy, for example those memes that aren’t really memes as much as “haha this opinion wrong”

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Lemmy itself is largely made up of Communists, Anarchists, and liberals fleeing Reddit.

As a consequence, there’s a lot of Communist agit-prop, and a lot of reflective panic on the hands of liberals.

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The cycle of a specific comm on world

we only allow memes here

points out posts that aren’t memes

stop asking us to follow our rules

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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You mean like this “meme”?

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This is a very political place, even compared to Reddit where there’s a shitload of politics

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I think it’s just as much a hivemind if not moreso than Reddit. Also, probably way easier to make bots for too

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