49 points

Flawed. Here, you must insert a coin (or if you have it, a token with the shape of the coin) that will only be returned after you put the cart in the correct place.

So you actually lose something if you don’t return the cart.

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75 points

That doesn’t mean the concept is flawed; it just means those businesses were smart enough to put in countermeasures against bad people.

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10 points

They do this so they don’t have to pay staff to return carts, one of many reasons Aldi is so cheap.

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2 points

“Cart returner” is not a job. It’s a thing regular employees have to do because some folks choose to be lazy. If everybody would return their carts, these employees would simply work on other shit in the store like cleaning or re-arranging misplaced items. Leaving the cart does not create jobs, it makes existing jobs more tedious.

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19 points

It also means that the people who do leave the shopping cart in places without the deposit are the kind of cheapskates who can be bought for a euro. They’re only neutral evil.

True chaotic evil assholes would pay the deposit on several carts only to leave them.

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1 point

That actually sounds like a hilarious way to spend 10$, especially when Aldi in the states still only requires a quarter

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1 point

That means there were enough bad people that businesses wanted to purchase a lock token system at the expense of convenience of customers and overhead costs of their businesses

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18 points

Mhm. That said, only a few places around where I live have “coin operated” carts. I guess the places that do have them got tired of the selfish, inconsiderate sobs who didn’t return the carts.

To me it feels so utterly strange to just dump a cart in the middle of a parking lot and, seemingly, think nothing of it.

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4 points

That’s common in England, but a lot of larger shops don’t bother with that system.

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6 points

It’s the opposite here in Sweden, in some larger supermarkets you did need a coin but in no smaller shops

Anyways that’s all gone now since no one carries coins anymore

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Seeing guides and fake coins to trick it was pretty depressing.

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5 points

That sounds like more work than just putting the cart back…

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4 points

Yep. I kinda dislike the idea of paid carts and am for pirating… But there it’s paying or putting extra effort to make other people deal with your cart.

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6 points

Where I shop there is the token system but you just have to ask the security agent to get a free token. So there is no need to return your cart because you can get a free token each time you got to the store.

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7 points

I have seen supermarkets with even stricter systems. I have seen carts with automated brakes/clamps. If you try to leave the supermarket with the cart, the wheels block. So you are forced to put your groceries in bags and carry the bags to the car.

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The supermarket? Damn. I’ve seen that around the parking lot so that they can’t be taken off the property, but outside of the building itself? Wow.

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1 point

My local has these but they only stop you from leaving through the entrance. If you leave through the checkout area you can take the trolly out

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In the US Aldi requires a quarter. Depending on the area, there are absolutely people who will give up their 25 cents to not walk their lazy ass to return the cart.

Florida is full of inconsiderate selfish assholes.

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8 points

Flawed. Here, you must insert a coin (or if you have it, a token with the shape of the coin) that will only be returned after you put the cart in the correct place.

I present you mankinds greatest invention:

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1 point

What, you gonna knock back some brews?

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6 points

In case you weren’t joking:

Look at the bottom part of it. You can insert it into the coin “slot” to unlock the cart and pull it out right after.

No more losing a tiny little plastic chip or searching for the right coin - especially if you prefer to pay without cash.

(Also, I do return my carts.)

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3 points

We don’t do that here, that’s mall-level bullshit.

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1 point

Yeah, I’d just not shop there. I never have change with me, and I’m not bringing change just because the store requires it. It might not be the first trip or the third, but over time, I’d shop there less and less because convenience matters.

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2 points

Then you’ll either start bringing change, get a token that you can use, or starve. No supermarket here has “free” carts. The baskets are free, but they are smaller.

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1 point

I’d probably just use a basket then, and buy less.

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8 points

Seems legit

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76 points

No one will punish you for not returning the cart

My opinion on this is reason number 8735 why I will never, and should never, be in charge of a country.

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I’d vote for you.

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I too have thousands of reasons why I shouldn’t be in charge of a country, however I do have one good pitch.

My appointment to dictatorship would be guided solely by autism. I guarantee my powers will only be focused upon my two fixations that deal with the general public, trains and healthcare.

If made supreme leader I will not only make the trains run on time, there will be more trains, more hospitals, we would even have trains that can take you to your job at the hospital. I would shape the perfect world for me, and vicariously a more efficient and safer world for you.

Demand Me for dictator 2024

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19 points

Why not put the hospital in the train? Instead of taking the train to the hospital, the hospital comes to you

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Imagine if there was a train to the hospital that also did triage.

So you get on the hospital line and a nurse determines if you need urgent care. They could take you to a less crowded hospital further down the line or dispatch paramedics to next stop.

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Because that is essentially what an ambulance currently is, and it conveniently comes right to your house, park, or business where you are dying. There are very few immediate life-saving measures that can be done at the hospital and not in the ambulance. Ambulances with paramedics are referred to as MICUs for a reason.

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Tbh, I would love to see it. But our railway infrastructure is dog shit atm, and we wouldn’t be able to expand the network fast enough to accommodate something as luxurious as a railway hospital until much later.

My first goal would be to expand the network to the point where cars are unnecessary for the vast majority of my citizens. This would both increase rail traffic to acceptable levels and help alleviate the unnecessary healthcare cost and harm of motor vehicle accidents.

Become my peon, every peon gets healthcare and can apply to drive an electric train. Me -2024

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I just wanted to say “Demand Me for dictator 2024” made me chuckle and you have my pledge

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3 points

I often think about how much better the world/ my local area would be if I was allowed to taser people at will for things like that. 😀

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19 points

To shop is human. To return is divine.

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Interesting idea… Is human morality (in situations where no punishment exists) a result of the societies we live in and our societal expectations, our upbringing, or is there some inherent morality (guilt from doing something bad, or satisfaction from doing the right thing) within most people?

Whilst I do live somewhere that has trolleys with coins, sometimes you get one that is damaged and doesn’t require a coin. Yet I still return those ones, because why wouldn’t I? It only takes a minute.

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Nurture or nature?

Yes.

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But what if nature and nurture were casting a shadow on the wall of a cavernous trolley station??

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3 points

Well, in that case, wait for the trolley to come, and if they haven’t returned the cart by then you can push them in front.

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Well yeah, but also a bit more than that - even after growing up, does society itself have some impact? Even if someone was raised really well, I feel like they could change over time depending on what society tells them is appropriate.

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Typically “nurture” includes those things. You’re right though - it isn’t just our parents and childhood, it’s everybody through our whole lives. We only stop changing when we die.

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