this has been on my mind a lot. I follow some lesbian meme shitposting groups and there’s tons of memes that are just like “This girl looked at me and I died and then she smiled at me and I came back to life” and I just cannot think of any cishet men’s spaces that bring that have that level of absolutely dorky dysfunctional love for women. And, like, cishet men, their whole thing is supposed to be being in to women, and that just strikes me as really weird that there’s not an equivalent. Like the closest I can think of is wife guy memes but that’s just one wife, usually.
Do any spaces like that exist? Is it even possible given the way gender works in society?
Men today hate women and are like two steps away from advocating openly killing anyone who won’t fuck them.
That’s kind of the way i’m leaning. Like do straight men even actually like women?
I have several friends that specifically do not like women and it is weird. Like, homie, what do you event want a woman for if you are not endlessly fascinated by the way they happy dance when you feed them.
Right? There’s a scene in the battle angel alita movie where the love interest gives Alita an orange and her face just lights up and I have very many feelings like how amazing would it be to give someone you love the experience of an orange for the first time omgmgmgmmgmmgmgmggllglglfedofryeduirfundmorifdcneruoedncrdks! B!!!
Okay, so - R Crumb and Frank Frazetta. Both horny as hell, drawing very stylized, sexualized women. Now, compare them to anime waifu art.
Crumb and Frank, I’m going to say, they see women that actually exist in the world. They draw women in a very stylized fashion, but they actually look like and art meant to be understood as real women.
And then you’ve got the anime waifu crowd; the waifus aren’t representations of anything or anyone real. They’re not stylized representations of women, they’re like second order simulacra - anime women look like anime women and are only distantly representations of actually existing women.
Like, crumb? The women he draws have massive thights and unreasonably bouyant boobs and so forth, but I think that shows what Crumb sees when he looks at real people. Those are qualities that he sees in actual people and finds beautiful. The stylized exxageration is over-emphasizing something real. Crumb sees real women in the world and draws that.
Same think with Frank. His attention to anatomy and dynamic poses is excellent. He draws people in motion the way people actually move. That’s someone who studied the human body in a very deliberate way and reproduces the human body with skill, creativity, and joy. Again, very stylized, hyperreal, but it’s a representation of what Frank sees when he looks at real people.
But then the anime waifus, they don’t look like people nor are they supposed to. They’re not drawings of women, they’re drawings of waifus.
I think that’s kind of what i’m getting at somehow. Like so much of how cishet men talk about women, how they create women in online spaces, it’s not really women, it’s not people that really exist. It’s these really abstracted simulacra that don’t really reflect anything real.
What would the space even be called? Like straight memes immediately raises red flags.
No, that’s illegal under gender. Plenty of men feel that way, and are allowed to quietly discuss it with one or two other men in a sufficiently relaxed and emotionally open environment, but under no circumstances can they publicly state that they have feelings.
“omg a pretty girl looked at me and I forgot how to exist”
The fact that I didn’t know if you were going to dunk on the men for saying something like that or not answers your question perfectly.
Even half this site would take a cynical approach to a dude being that way
This is one of those blowback cases of patriarchy hurting men. Because the dominant social structure has men objectifying and harassing women constantly, it can be difficult to openly admit to finding a woman attractive as a man because people, very understandably, are going to assume that he means that in an objectifying way or is going to go harass her in public trying to get a date out of her and respond accordingly.
It obviously doesn’t compare to the consequences faced by femme presenting people, but I’ll have a moment every now and again where my bi femme partner and I will notice someone in a cute outfit and I have that moment of knowing that she could walk up to them and compliment them on it without issue, but if I tried to do the same they’re likely to be defensive and assume I’m about to ask them for their number.
