The United Nations General Assembly voted 124-14 on Wednesday to strip Israel of the right to self-defense in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem.

The test of the resolution was based on the International Court of Justice’s advisory opinion in July that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory was illegal.

The resolution also calls on member states not to sell arms or military equipment to Israel that would be used in Gaza, the West Bank, and east Jerusalem.

Among the 43 countries that abstained were Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom. Some 12 of the 27 European Union countries abstained, including Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Sweden.

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Looks like israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself.

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Given that its ‘defence’ is indiscriminately bombing civilian populations and blowing the limbs off children, they shouldn’t be allowed to. Israel shouldn’t have committed war crimes similar to the Nazis.

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Israel has been murdering Palestinians for decades now. It’s a country founded on mass murder and genocide.

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It’s a country founded on 19th century White Colonialist ideology (this bunch of people who see themselves as Whites being Jewish rather than Christian makes no different to their victims) which, unlike the places from were such thinking hailed, has never evolved away from it, quite the contrary: just like Apartheid South Africa, with time they just become more violent and oppressive against those they see as lesser races, only Apartheid South Africa was forced to stop whilst Israel just kept doubling down on it and getting more violent.

It’s not by chance that most Israelis and their leadership say that they “have Western Values”: they do have Western Values it’s just that they’re 19th century Western Values.

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There’s a difference between defending oneself and engaging in collective punishment and genocide. I am Jewish and the descendent of holocaust survivors. Not in my name.

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You’re awesome - have a great day. Thank you.

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I mean yes, but this ruling is fhat they can’t do either. Since these regions are illegally occupied, their inhabitants have the right to resist said occupation and, therefore Israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself in the same way it would against an independent country.

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in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem.

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Yup. Israel is treating them like land that’s free to colonize, when in reality a nation (albeit one with unstable government, and only recently UN-recognized) lives there.
Similarly, Japan can’t claim it’s “defending itself” if it hypothetically performs violent acts in Lebanon.

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We need to expel Israel from the UN. These religious fanatics have no place in the civilized world.

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Good time to expel Iran as well

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Israeli fanatics have killed more people in a year than Iran has in decades. Israel is a terrorist entity.

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And then we can do US

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Whilst I disagree with your earlier point about expelling Israel from the UN (or anybody else: the whole point of the place is as a diplomatic talking shop for everybody) I wholehartedly agree with this one.

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Iran, if compared to most big countries except maybe India, Egypt and Latin American ones, is a paragon of humanism. They are at war with so many other countries because they behave like they are supposed to, while those others behave like Israel right now.

Of course murder, torture and rape of protesters is not something I’d sign under. It’s just that some things come down to numbers and make Iran better.

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5 points

Have you seen what happens to Muslims in India? Hindu nationalists are using Gaza as a model for how they should run Kashmir.

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Locking people up for their gender, sexuality or for listening to pop music is okay with you?

You fool.

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Part of any international sanctions is to leave something for the perpetrator to lose.

Otherwise, they can do literally everything without any further consequences whatsoever - it won’t get worse for them.

Also, as rightfully mentioned, part of UN’s goal is restoring peace between nations, which is harder to do when they are not members. That’s the problem with Palestine, and it will get worse if Israel leaves too.

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Removing a country from the UN for doing horrible things would defeat the UN’s entire purpose.

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Which is keep the current world order of countries doing such dominating?

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The UN was created after WW2 to prevent another world war and have a diplomatic channel between all countries that is always open. It’s far from perfect, but it’s definitely better than what we had before.

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IDK, FRY was de facto kicked out of the UN in 1992.

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Shoutout to the libs wetting their pants over non-Russian weapons being used against Ukraine

I’m not sure what could be worse than literally bulldozing all of Palestine to the ground and killing the survivors that crawl out. And that is not hyperbole. Literal bulldozers are going in a line through Palestine.

Maybe PugJesus can enlighten us?

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But sir, this is about the right of Israel to defend itself in territories it’s occupying illegally! /s

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“Rights” can only be taken away by force, if there is no method to ensure compliance, this is yet another meaningless resolution.

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The UN is a diplomatic organization. It is a forum to discuss things and literally has no actual means to enforce anything. Its goal is not enforcement, it’s to discuss.

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And prevent such global wars like WWII. Funnily enough, the state of Israel was funded exactly by an UN resolution, and now Israel is trying to discredit the same institution that’s responsible for the existence of their state.

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Exactly. Every time the UN does something, people say “they can’t enforce it”.

Well, that’s the whole point of the UN. To resolve things without using force.

It’s a good design, designed by people who learned from the horrors of WW2.

It’s sad to see how many people nowadays forget those lessons and are itching for global war.

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You got it ass-backwards. The point of the UN as opposed to LoN was that it can enforce shit. And do that very heavily. The only problem was that the chosen group of wise and powerful to decide this now includes Russia as the heir of the USSR (why the hell) and China (which is not the China that got the place initially) and UK (which is collecting cannibals to suck off all over the globe) and USA (which just arbitrarily invaded Iraq and didn’t even apologize) and France (seems kinda normal, but CFA etc were not nice) and the situation really sucks.

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I, personally, am itching for progress. In my lifetime. What history has proven is that progress is never achieved without bloodshed.

Though there is one very easy step the US at least can take that isn’t bloodshed: STOP SELLING WEAPONS TO ISRAEL.

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So about as useful as us here as far as getting anything to actually happen :(

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When it comes to Israel, they have very little incentive in changing their ways when the US refuses to join the rest of the world in condemning them.

Still, there are 124 countries that made it clear that they think what Israel is doing is wrong.

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What is the point of voting, especially veto, if it’s all just voicing complaints?

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If you hear 5 people yell at 5 people then they take a vote and the vote comes out 101 to 5 and the rest staying silent (hypothetical), it’s different than 53-53. It helps you understand what others believe/support while not having to listen to all of them talk.

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The headline is genocide apologia and should be banned.

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The entire article is utter apologetic trash, doing its absolute best to show how unpopular this decision is (despite being hugely popular) and focusing on “Hamas terrorism concerns” without any consideration at all given to Palestinians.

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