“I’m a gun owner; Tim Walz is a gun owner,” Harris said.
“I did not know that,” Winfrey replied.
“If somebody breaks into my house, they’re getting shot,” Harris added. “Probably should not have said that. But my staff will deal with that later.”
The article has a video clip. I love the bullshit “probably…” It’s a 100% certainty she spoke with her staff and workshopped the phrasing and presentation of gun stuff. Plus I bet she practiced her lines. No American politician is going to wing it when talking about guns.
ITT we conclusively prove that hexbear doesn’t read the articles
Definitely a weird way to pander to the right, but whatever.
The thing is, I can sort of agree? If someone breaks into my home at night while I am asleep, I’m not going to stop and ask questions about their intentions. I will assume they are here to do me and mine harm, and I will react accordingly, which very likely means shooting them. Breaking into someone’s home at 3am is very different from trying to rifle through the shit in their car. But fantasizing about it on Oprah is fucking crazy, even for a politician.
“take what you want and leave” just generously assumes that what they want isn’t to hurt you
Why should that change when the TV gets moved to your house
Stores have insurance for shit, how many people have “burglar coverage”? Most people don’t have infinite wealth to just let walk out their front door
“take what you want and leave” just generously assumes that what they want isn’t to hurt you
It’s not generous to assume what is easily the most plausible interpretation. Unless it’s like a gang hit or something (including by cops), who the fuck wants to brutalize an entire family? That happened one time in Cheshire, CT and conservatives the whole country over have been milking it for a decade and a half.
how many people have “burglar coverage”?
lol
Used to break into homes. I was prepared for violence. You’re just wrong.
Anyone coming into your house on purpose at night is willing to hurt you. Giving them the chance and trying to be the nice guy by telling them your armed just announces where you are.
I’m not giving up the most defensible position in my own home
Who the fuck thinks like this?
Very few burglaries are done in the middle of the night while the residents are home. Unless the burglar is very stupid they’re gonna burgle when everyone’s at work or on vacation etc. So in the extremely rare case that someone does break in at 3AM while you’re sleeping, I wouldn’t necessarily assume it’s definitely a robbery.
This isn’t to defend Kamala, I hate people who fantasize about implausible scenarios where they get to lawfully shoot somebody. A security system would likely deter any home invader regardless of their intentions.
I dont know the right way to handle this, but announcing your position is a good way to end up shot yourself.
Yeah, preparing to react with violence if some stranger comes into your home unannounced is not the crazy thing a lot of leftists like to claim it is. Desiring safety and security in you living space is a basic animal instinct. But I’d rather just the person get scared and run, since I’m not exactly willing to kill someone over my pc.
Just because it’s “not crazy” and based in some basic animal instinct doesn’t mean we have to entertain it or that it’s not something that extremely easily leads to reactionary violence.
We literally the slope this leads down in people gunning down strangers at the door bell or literally in the drive in just approaching the house.
Killing in self-defense isn’t a bizarre reaction, but hanging on discussing such scenarios, bringing them up unnecessarily, fantasizing about them, these are pathological behaviors that suggest using the extremity of the situation as a moral pretext for getting off on murdering someone (especially a dirty poor)
Or you can be like Breonna Taylor and end up riddled with bullets because it turns out it’s not a burglar, it’s the police doing a no-knock raid.
Is this a potential eventuality you should be preparing for, though?
Is it a rational thing to fear based on evidence, or is it driven by reactionary fearmongering?
Ah yes, the American dream of being able to murder a threatening stranger.
Life is cheap in the Burger Reich.
I love how Harris is starting out with every advantage a candidate could possibly have and systematically blowing it.
Trump too tbh. This election feels like both candidates are doing their damnedest to throw it for the other one because neither actually wants to be president right now lol.
Is she? These seem less like flubs than attempts to flank Trump from the right, like with her “I love fracking SOFUCKINGMUCH” but at the debate. Libs are gonna vote for her no matter what and leftists are demographically a non-factor so why wouldn’t she?
“Leftists” whatever that even means in the US (nothing basically) are a non-entity. However, every single policy that this ambiguous “leftist” would support is insanely popular.
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Actual anti-imperialist (cloaked in anti-war)
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Healthcare as a human right (cloaked in healthcare coverage for all- call it anything you like)
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Pro abortion (cloaked in “pro choice” and “pro women”)
There’s a bunch more including immigration (or at least pro-immigrant), actually pro-labor, etc.
All popular stances, all leftwing if properly articulated and executed. They can’t be sold as leftwing because insane Nazi country and all that. But if she ran on them, she’d be winning about ~60-80% of the national vote. Assuming the media was arm twisted into proper coverage.
Oh, and anti-genocide of course. She could just say Israel is doing genocide and as POTUS she would oversee the systematic dismantling of Israel as a nationstate… and lose like 4 votes. Because all the Nazis are already voting for orange Nazi man. The libs don’t actually care. They care as much as Maddow and Van Jones tell them to care, eg “wow look at these Hamas students!” But they do not actually care about Israel. All it takes is a media narrative shift which the sitting VP/potential future POTUS can absolutely 100% force. Trump does it all the time. They have to cover what she says. She has access to the bully pulpit, although smaller ATM. She chooses right wing though. And it’s actually losing her the election.
If you assume both candidates wish to win, and you must assume this otherwise the other path is pure conspiracy theory that doesn’t benefit anyone, this is the better analysis. She and the democrats, her advisers specifically, are fucking incompetents. Right wing hacks. Far to the right of the general population. Which, considering America, is almost impressive…
I’m not out of my mind for believing that this would have been unthinkable in the Hillary or even Biden era, right?
Like this is just blatant blood-guzzling NRA chud pandering that would be completely relegated to Clinton body count and Dark Brandon type shit.
This would have been unthinkable in the Hillary or even Biden era, right?
I think so too. But Biden’s like ancient history now. Libs must love Kamala’s gun comment and think it’s a “pragmatic” move by her to appeal to republicans and republicans in swing states in particular.
The identity politics angle must also be a part of it, I think.
Actual segregationist Joe Biden couldn’t really get away with betting on this kind of rhetoric, but Kamala being both non-white and a woman gets into the gray zone where she has plausible deniability of not just directly appealing to the vivid fantasies of legal murder demographic.
Biden couldn’t really get away with betting on this kind of rhetoric… Kamala being both non-white and a woman gets into the gray zone
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I agree. But imagine an alternate universe where Biden’s VP was a white guy. After Biden dropped out even that VP could use Death Wish-style messaging and get away with it. The lib Overton window keeps on lurching more and more to the right and the libs are fine with it.
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My comment turned into total mess so I started all over again.
I did not expect Kamala to run to the right of Biden. I had zero expectations and I’m still let down
I’m not surprised. Biden’s the sacrificial lamb who will take the majority of the PR hit for the genocide, but people who are actually on the left have wisened up to their tricks. They’ll go for votes from people who aren’t educated enough to know better. And those people are right wing.
Unthinkable? I don’t think so.
I think the main thing that’s becoming obvious in the past 8 years is that the Obama years were an illusion. He was politically progressive, sure, but what he was progressive towards was an increasingly brutal fascist empire, just like every one else.
People who think the racists left the Democratic party with Reagan have been demonstrably proven wrong over, and over, and over since Clinton, they just never quite quit telling the lie.
The presumption the Democrats are even mildly less racist because of their love of meritocracy, solely when rich citizens of the US are concerned, even with all those qualifiers it’s wrong. The Democrats are who they were when I was a kid here in Texoma - the people who wouldn’t vote for a Republican because they’re the party of the rich, the north, and cause of the Civil War (y’all should meet my papa sometime, it’d change how you see this country).
I don’t really have a coherent way to distill the country as I see it compared to the constant pretense Democrats are different than the republicans in any fashion apart from the exact manner in which they’re vile condescending villains, but the sooner the left stops talking about progressives like that’s something anyone should be, the better. CAuse they sure as hell ain’t what you think they are, I don’t care if they kinda-sorta-maybe-implied they might be okay with an anti-racist policy sometime far in the future. Besides which, Liberals are conservatives now, in the literal sense. They are the reactionary party. Fascism isn’t a reaction to Capital in crisis - it’s a revolutionary expansionist project. What people mean by fascism when they call it reactionary is just when fascism starts killing white people. Fascism is real long, long before then.
What scares me lately is, since Biden, the Blue MAGA insurgency in the Democrats are going ham as well. I don’t really think America needs a conservative party, but we’re about to have two revolutionary parties, both worse than the present. Hell, maybe we already do and it’s just hard to tell how much it’s changed while the changes are still happening.
You’re absolutely right about the illusion but IMO the Bernie era gave people including many socialists/leftists who considered him as harm reduction a complete illusion of what the underlying political climate was heading towards.
While Bernie was campaigning on very good vibes and huge crowds asking for healthcare the population was heading increasingly away from the “traditional” both parties values of decades prior.
Its obvious Trump completely destroyed traditional conservatism but for the Democrats to destroy Bernie they had no alternative but plant the seeds of Blue MAGA.
Biden only got there because he was the only alternative to defeat Bernie without the Dems jumping off a cliff politically. Then they pulled this Biden coup only because Biden was absurdly unpopular. IMO if they tried the same shit with the Bernie nomination things would have been very interesting back then.
Dems could have avoided this by just dealing with Bernie as the coward and incoherent fool he is as president, at least they would have had 8 years of probably the most popular president in history.
Instead the year is 2024 and Blue MAGA is not a parody, its the foundation of the party.
forward: This is jsut a ramble cause we seem to agree or close enough and I took the chance to vent about politics shit stressing me lol
The Bernie years, for me, were “This guy is just offering New Deal white supremacy again and they still would kill everyone before letting him win”
I don’t say that to be some ultra “I’m the one true leftist” because I voted for him too, had to write him in for even the primary in 2020 cause Texas but I get having hope cause I did, too, even when it was over. I got on with Bernie people both times he ran because it was hope for something even a tiny bit better. But that’s what he was. That’s why a small segment of the liberal opposition could say with a straight face there were racism and sexism problems in his base. . . because there is in any base which can bring itself to support any American politician. The Warren people were right, too “He’s basically the same so vote for the woman”, he was, he is, they agree on almost everything except Bernie can be really excellent at appealing to people by sounding good in the way we’re more likely to recognize and not think is condescending faff.
Biden is just . … he’s a stereotype, I mean all successful politicians are archetypal characters more than people, but he’s every segregationist Democrat who loves 50s nostalgia I’ve ever met. He’s a young dad in the 1970s going to a Grease party because that’s how he wants to remember the 50s.
I dunno if there ever was a world where Bernie could have been FDR 2.0 - he didn’t have the class connections which made FDR possible, but that’s not the path our timeline took, possible or not.
