Oh the kid matters, as a fuck toy for pedos, or as I like to call them: Republicans.
I recently saw a Christian organization who rescued over 300 enslaved children. While this post is still valid and needs attention we need to stop pretending that it’s being ignored and actually help those people who are rescuing fugitives, refugees and slaves instead of just bashing an ideology online
I agree, I’m always really annoyed to see these kinds of memes. I feel like all the “but what about foster kids” or “what about refugees”? as literal whataboutism arguments against pro-life ideology is entirely unproductive. Every single foster parent I know is religious and specifically Christian (and I know quite a few because I’m trying to get into fostering myself). It’s not because they’re better people, but we need to stop acting like all religious people are bigoted and conservative. Because of my religious upbringing, I’m nervous around religious people. I’m nervous they’ll treat us badly because we’re gay, or scare my child who already has anxiety the same way they did to me, or bully my kid because he wears girl clothes, etc. And it’s good to be cautious, but I’ve been learning a lot of religious people are not bigoted and a lot of them are not even conservative. A lot of them foster and they volunteer to help sick kids, in fact that’s the only place I’ve been meeting them.
Also, not all pro-life people are religious. Abortion used to be a nuanced subject. Now it seems so much more divisive, but there are still a lot of left learning and nonreligious people who don’t like high abortion rate, or don’t like abortion outside of medical emergencies. Even one of my very best friends whom I’ve known for 10 years (who is gay and atheist and extremely liberal) recently said, very quietly, “I don’t really think it’s a good option outside of medical necessity, but I try not to speak about women’s issues because it’s not my place.” People are afraid to stray from their “side” too loudly. I just wish people could have a real conversation without feeling like they’ll get in trouble with their own people for not being extreme enough, for seeing the nuance in a complicated subject.
I think the people simply saying “you can’t because God said no” are stupid, but most people have actual reasons. Likewise, the people who just make these dumb memes instead of giving any facts or insight are also not contributing. There’s an actual interesting and import discussion to have about the right to live, right to terminate, etc. but it’s like no one is able to talk about the actual topic, just “those guys think a bad thing and we hate them.” And we absolutely need to be doing more to help enslaved children, refugees, orphans, etc.
Real talk.
I hate Christo-fascists as much as the next guy, but to think that ALL people of Christian faith are evil and tyrannical is a nonstarter unto itself.
I appreciate the glimmer of good faith arguments in this bad faith argument riddled thread.
Eh, my advice is to not hate them. Hate (albeit disguised as righteousness) is their brand… We should pity them, you know, like Jesus might.
Nothing defeats fake religious people like the positive teachings of their own professed religion. Fight cruelty with kindness.
The good eggs, that is to say the Christian/Catholic folks that actually follow the teachings of Jesus, will not mind you denigrating those of their “flock” that do not. Most of them will actually tend to apologize for them, and explain they are lost. These types also almost never try to judge you if you’re not a believer.
Even then, there’s some problem christian organizations doing these things the wrong way - such as offering money for ‘enslaved children’ and in the process creating child slave markets where none existed.
I have no doubt these organizations have good intentions, but if people aren’t more critical of these organizations they can and will do more harm than good.
It’s a matter of percentages
One consistent organization does not disprove the rule that religious people are massive hypocrites in general
Yeah, it’s a double edged sword… I hate when people rag on religion in the same manner certain religious types rag on atheism. That feels like hipocracy, and it’s very common here on Lemmy in the atheist groups.
This said, memes like the one above are fair representation of the grand majority of politically-motivated, religious voters.
Yesyes, some are christians and good people (no, not because). While others use christianity as excuse for their agenda.
It isn’t that you can’t be a moral person and a god-fearing one, it is just more difficult. Sometimes when I know a religious person who makes a real effort to help people I just want to yell at them “think of how much more you could do if you aren’t arguing with your imaginary friend all the time”.
You’re not wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that people are taking this low effort meme as a fact. It’s a generalization that holds very true for the masses, not an infallible statement without the possibility of exception.
I don’t know any religious folks that do what your referring to… Not a one. Sure, I believe there are millions of them that do, but the majority (let’s say, over 60-80 million?) don’t seem to.
Nobody needs to seek out and help children in need to be a good person, there are a LOT of issues in the world that need attention… But these types are fighting a war against women in the name of helping children, and the vast majority of them are doing nothing to actually help children. In fact, they tend to be creating massive problems for children as a whole (I’m not sure many will appreciate their mothers being 13 at birth, or their fathers being rapists, or being given up for adoption because they were 100% unwanted.)
And close by my home a Catholic School won a court case, this week, where they argued they had a right to fire a part-time art teacher for getting pregnant out of wedlock. The response to hearing that someone with a low income is going to have to raise a child herself was to take away their tiny income stream.
The one on the left has the potential to be white, so of course they care.
Why has this never crossed my mind. God damn if that doesn’t ring true in a variety of ways.
Black fetus? Pfft, they must have it filthy moochers. That’s what you get for having sex.
White fetus? Oh no we better let this abortion slide since it’s my daughter/son this time…
You think they hate black people so much that they want more black people
I think spite and hatred wins out. Throw in when I want to morality? You betcha.
Christian here. Are you trying to say I don’t care about kids?
Your GOP overlords don’t and if you voted for them, then yeah. You don’t.
I’m not involved with the GOP. Christian =/= GOP just because they try to pander to us.
Either they all are Christian or none of them are. For those of us on the outside of Christendom we presume anyone who identifies as Christian is one. (Granted, they may not be very good at it, but who is?)
Once you start saying that true Christians have to adhere to a more strict set of constraints, then you open the movement to hundreds of often-conflicting standards, some of which will be more popular than yours and rule you out.
More of these standards will exclude your denomination and ministry and creeds than accept and include them.
Christianity is a movement of which the White Christian Nationalist movement that dominates the US and UK (and elsewhere) is a subset. Sadly it’s a very large subset, including the ministries in thr US that serve the greater majority of parishioners. It also includes the USCCB, but also the Vatican adheres to the anti-LGBT+, anti-women platform that aligns with the White Christian Nationalist movement that is in the process of capturing the United States federal government.
Christianity as a whole includes George W. Bush and the developers of the CIA extrajudicial detention and torture program, also the USArmy and USMC unoffical Chosen Hand of God regiments parallel to the spiritual readiness programs who were sent to engage in hot-zone operations under the color of God’s authority. It also includes Donald J. Trump who couldn’t remember a single biblical passage to save his life, and CS-gassed protestors so he could walk to a church and hold a bible for a photo shoot.
Christianity as a whole also includes Universalist denominations (of which I hear there are more than the UU, the last of the Universalist major ministries) and countless hippy denominations that are LGBT+ inclusive and see women as full persons entitled to bodily autonomy, including reproductive rights, including abortion on demand. They are Christians too, though many other Christians like to assert they are not.
Christians include everyone who identifies as such, and it is up to individuals and ministries alike, laity and cloth to work out how to regard each other.
The meme merely showcases that most religious, conservative voters care more about the virtue signaling of fighting abortion than actually caring for children.
The entire topic was created by conservatives decades ago to generate division, and rally their voters. I recommend everyone look up how much people cared about this back in the 60’s.
Maybe my brain is fried from all the Baldurs I’ve been gating recently, but I don’t understand what this is trying to say. I get it’s criticizing pro lifers, but don’t see the connection between the top text and the bottom text, or what the bottom text is insinuating.
It’s saying that those people don’t really care whether a life is being saved or not, they say they’re pro-life for other reasons (racism, misogyny, capitalism, you name it)
