“The Israeli prime minister came here today and said that Israel is surrounded by those who want to destroy it,” Safadi said at a Friday press conference shortly after Netanyahu finished his speech at the UN General Assembly.

“We’re here — members of the Muslim-Arab committee, mandated by 57 Arab and Muslim countries — and I can tell you very unequivocally, all of us are willing to guarantee the security of Israel in the context of Israel ending the occupation and allowing for the emergence of a Palestinian state,” Safadi passionately argued.

Netanyahu “is creating that danger because he simply does not want the two-state solution. If he does not want the two-state solution, can you ask Israeli officials what is their end-game — other than just wars and wars and wars?”

Also, video of the statement.

45 points

I mean Netanyahu keeps crying about people wanting to destroy Israel but… uh… Israel is bordered by two allies and one enemy.

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Not even one enemy, Lebanon just wants to be left alone. Israel is using conventional tactics in an asymmetric fight which they know doesn’t work. They know it only increases membership in terrorist groups. Israel is destabilizing their region on purpose.

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I meant Hezbollah, not Lebanon.

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Hezbollah isn’t a country. They are, at best, a political party.

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Hezbollah is hostile because Israel keeps massacring, jailing, blockading and depriving of rights their ally. Actually now they’re committing a genocide against it.

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I don’t think israel sees any allies. It is enemies and usefull enemies.

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I mean that’s kind of their problem then.

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Uhh…Israel was attacked by every single neighbor in both the Yom Kippur War and the Six Day War. Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and others with expeditionary forces too. What neighbors do you think are Israel’s allies exactly?

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Egypt and Jordan have both normalized relations with Israel. They are absolutely not threats.

Syria and Lebanon are failed states. The threats to Israel come from non state actors within them. Such actors can only be truly neutralized by (a) capturing and trying the leadership -rather than making them martyrs by extra judicial killings, and (b) by removing their legitimacy, i.e., by ending Israel’s illegal occupation and colonization of the West Bank, and by letting Gaza breathe. Basically, these non state actors can only be defeated politically at this point.

That said, it is clear that Israel has gone rabid. The rest of the world at this point is more worried about the safety of its neighbours from it. There is no credible actual threat to Israel any more. But there is a credible genocide and ethnic cleansing going on under/by Israeli arms. The Israeli far right (that is part of the government) contains powerful elements that are already planning the colonization of Gaza and Southern Lebanon. Internally, even dissenting Jewish Israelis are facing repercussions for not towing the extreme nationalist line. The settlers are the strongest political force in the country. Etc etc. Israel needs to be deradicalized. There need to be limits placed and there need to be consequences

Ultimately we need nothing less than the complete and blind application of international law. If that is too radical for Americans or Israelis, too bad.

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The only “failed state” is the apartheid colony currently committing genocide and terrorism.

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The threats to Israel come from non state actors within them.

Are there even serious threats to Israel in Syria?

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“failed state” is a funny way to call a geography that has been at the center of Xian conflict for 1500 years.

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capturing and trying the leadership -rather than making them martyrs by extra judicial killings

Easy to say, but what was being done about this? Hezbollah and Hamas have been launching regular rockets into Isreal for decades. Iron dome was developed to stop them (and patriot before that), but those rockets shouldn’t have been launched in the first place. If the world (both Arab and the rest) was serious they could have been doing something about those rockets before this all started. For that matter I don’t see anyone other than Isreal responding to the October kidnapping in any way that might have helped.

Don’t read the above as excusing Isreal. They have blood on their hands, but it looks to me like the rest of the world has more.

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Fucking 70 years ago. Is Germany still the enemy of the UK and US too?

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This is insanely myopic. By your logic, we’d better be on the lookout for Kamikazes.

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Why is your idea of Israeli-Arab relations stuck in the 70s?

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Israel was attacked

You might want to exchange your zio history books for the real thing.

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Come on, bro. We all know the deal. Netanyahu is one of those cretins who considers the two-state solution to be invalid.

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Just to be clear: He speaks for the leaders, not the people.

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Oh child…let me tell you about republics.

The reps ARE considered the people.

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Jordan is not a republic

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Fuck. Israel has never been great, but since the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, I wonder if there’s any hope for them being anything other than a rogue fucking state.

Good on Jordan et other signatories for making the offer, but I doubt it has any chance of being accepted.

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This is quite the shame, as it actually solves a major problem for Israel. But the rejection itself makes it that much harder for even the strongest deniers to deny the type of crimes that are occurring now…

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Not sure I’d trust that guarantee if I was an Israeli…

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It’s hard to imagine why a cult of genocidal colonizers can’t trust outsiders.

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I was just thinking because it’d be the ones you’d want guarantees against. It’d be like Russia guaranteeing Ukraine’s security or vice versa, neither side would put their faith in such a guarantee.

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Yet it’s the only way to peace. Germany and France put their faith into each others’ guarantees after WW2 and created the EU. Peace is possible.

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Who cares? Isntreal was bum rushed by all its neighbors in the 60s and beat them all back - and made huge accusations of land, in 6 days. The narrative is that Isntrael is in danger at all times, but from my pov, their neighbors have been the ones in danger for almost 75yesrs now.

Isntrael might be the smallest kid in the block but they’re the only ones who know how to fight. They’re the kid that bullies the rest of the kids and when one of the scared kids finally snaps back, Iz is the first to whine to the adults playing victim.

I’ve known plenty of kids like that. Not one has turned into a quality person. You think the IDF (you know, regular Israelis) are gonna be super moral quality people after all the murder, torture and rape that THEY THEMSELVES COMMITED and THEY THEMSELVES have posted online.

I don’t need to accuse Isntrael of anything. They’re bragging about it and I consider that lack of morality monstrous. Barbaric. If that’s the state of Jewry today, then it belongs buried in the past. There’s foxes in the synagogue and if the Rabbis are concerned with their survival they need to clean house. Otherwise jewdom are gonna find themselves global pariahs with no one willing to buy the shit they selling.

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Who cares?

I’d imagine Israelis do

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