#quietpartoutloud
Something I’ve noticed more and more is how prevalent killing, murder and death is in Hollywood produced media. The vast majority of popular movies and series either start, involve or end with somebody being killed. And its almost laughable how high the disregard of human life is portrayed to the masses. Look at any other motion picture productions, say Korean, Indian, French, British, etc., even a single person dying in a story is seen as a very huge deal. Same thing goes for violence in general. Even if the character decides to take the high ground and not kill their nemesis, they still die in the end by other means.
I think this image of death has led a lot of Americans to adapt the attitude of “It’s fine, as long it doesn’t happen to ME.”, which in return can be capitalized on by telling them “It’s fine we’re not talking about YOU but about a THEM.”. They’ve seen people die on a screen so many times that if it happens for real and is shown on the news, it is regarded as entertainment rather than a horrific tragedy.
Seriously, in classical storytelling often times the whole story revolves around a single death. But in Hollywood the scenes often involve something along the lines of [good guy takes out a bunch of bad guys]. This could also be why US gun culture has gone absolutely insane over the last 30 years. They all want to be the cool action hero taking out the bad guys, but forget that their hero is a sociopathic murderer by all standards.
Have we looped back around to blaming media for violence again? This was disproven in the 70s with rock, the 80s with dungeons and dragons, the 90s with metal, and the 2000s with anything anti war or America. Can we stop trudging up this argument? Please?
I’m not blaming media for violence. I’m blaming it for the desensitization towards violence. There’s a big difference. Its like the difference between somebody saying “I’ve seen somebody die before.” and “I’ve killed somebody before.”.
Yeah, desensitizing people to violence is the original argument. It’s always “if they’re willing to shoot people in video games, why not real life!?” Crap.
It’s been disproven so often that my shitty little uni assigned that research to first year psych students. It’s not a thing. Media is a reflection of society, not society itself. Violent societies like violent media. Violent media doesn’t create violent societies. Propaganda based media can, but no one’s committing murders cause they saw Knives Out or played COD 23
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I’ve stopped bothering with links from RawStory. It’s all just ragebait headlines. There’s a nugget of truth and I’m encouraging everyone to vote blue up and down the ballot, but these AI generated articles aren’t really helping. There are a few sites that are the same all up and down, but this is one of the worst.
I’m a Republican whos NOT a Nazi but he’s RIGHT!
“Many of them murdered far more than one person,” Trump declared. “A murderer, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now.”
And he will still be normalized as a presidential candidate by this evenings news and by the country on election day.
I guess it’s that time of day to come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
“This” is what happens when a society has no hope. A brutal side effect of economic policy and fleecing of the population over the past 30 years. People turn to religion and strong men for succour. They are swayed by bullshit and manipulated to serve the interests of the powerful.
The US has always been okay with this. They don’t teach this in school. But they should. The United States was one of the biggest inspirations to the Nazis. From the Jim crow south beating, jailing, and suppressing their unternensch. To the fabulously wealthy capitalists practicing eugenics on their untermensch. Literally, the only slight new take the Nazis had. Was the fantasy ayrian precursors.
Hell even lemmy’s perpetual good boys. Well if you’re talking too ML or tankies. Had a very cozy working relationship with Hitler. Invading Poland. Even when they broke it off. Stalin went on to massacre thousands of ethnically polish citizens within Soviet borders.
None of these groups ever really had any repercussions from this. One of the big reasons the Nazis failed was Japan’s attack on Pearl harbor. Which finally tipped things from the American fascists quiet support of Hitler with public calls for isolationism. Turning away boats of Jewish refugees. Combined with the discovery of the death camps. Without those things, the US would have stayed out while continuing to support Hitler. But IBM never faced repercussions for helping Hitler catalog and track Jews on the way to slaughter. DuPont was never held responsible for making and supplying the gas to Hitler to slaughter the Jews. Our fascists simply bid their time. Russia going from authoritarian to fascist authoritarian government today. With our fascist capitalists slowly dismantling our democracy over the last 100 years. Only some fascists lost WWII.
FYI, I’m not ok with this. Tho’ I’m glad he’s saying the ‘quiet part out loud’, so that there can be no question on the importance of voting him and the rest of the GOP down in this election.
I would have agreed with you in 2016 but if the last 8 years has shown me anything it’s that Trump is normalizing the worst of people. He keeps saying the quiet part out loud till the right is screaming it
The Overton Window is a thing.
I guess it’s that time of day to come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
A relatively small subset of people are okay with this as long as it continues to keep them in power and make them rich, another small subset of people are okay with this as long as it continues to be targeted exclusively at people they don’t like, and a relatively large subset of people are victims of propaganda and media saturation. Let’s put the blame where it belongs.
You can talk about the reasons voters might be tricked, incentivized, propagandized, etc. into voting for Trump but at the end of the day they are making the decision to support this kind of thing of their own free will. Placing the blame somewhere else is easy. The hard part is coming to terms with the fact that the fundamental problem is not a shady group of billionaires gaming the system but rather a population too dumb and lazy to see those actions for what they are. That problem isn’t going away even if we get rid of all billionaires and enforce stricter truthfulness in broadcasting laws.
I’m not denying it would get easier to manage if did those things but we have to recognize that the people you’re talking about are willing participants in this and not just victims being taken advantage of.
You’re not wrong. I’m sure some of the Germans who voted for Hitler and perpetrated horrors for the Nazi regime were misled and propagandized.
But they were still Nazis and still committed a genocide.
We’re going to have to do the same work Germany did with de-Nazification.
I don’t know if it’s a relatively small subset when there’s a fair chance he might be elected if people don’t go vote, or vote for a third party candidate.
That would be the large subset who are victims of propaganda. I refuse to believe that such a large percentage of the country would actually be as awful as they seem if it wasn’t for the propaganda machine doing its thing.
Most of the people who vote for him will never be informed about the most appalling and repulsive things he says, because all their news comes filtered through media streams that are designed to prop up the conservative candidate, no matter who, and to discredit the facts that makes that candidate look bad.
But even if everyone who voted for him knew he said these things, they would still be the minority of Americans, because he lost the popular vote in 2016.